If it's too expensive to 'keep them secret'....but who cares? Don't try to keep them secret Just stop making them all together? That's the solution? No, who cares if they're leaked? Make em anyways. I'd rather get leaked info before the cool new thing than no more cool new things

It's a convenient excuse to cover that they don't want to spend $$ on making free content to the extent that a new secret mission would take. Maybe I'm not well informed, but I find it hard to believe that the real barrier to making another Whisper quest is how much it costs to encrypt the data. It's not the development costs, just the encryption. I know, the theory is that what they mean is no more "secret" missions. But when's the last time we got a free one? Bungie knowing full well how much the fans ate up Whisper and Zero Hour saying they won't any more because they don't want to spend money, to me, is just them showing how greedy they really are. I hope Playstation was smart enough to put some recourse in their contract if Bungie doesn't perform well because they're about to find out why Activision let them go.

Don’t forget, making content is hard! Hard and expensive, makes me wonder why they bother at all lol.

My post on a different thread that is applicable here: You do realize that the entire engineer AMA was taken out of context right? I’d suggest going and reading it. [url=http://example.com]https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/yrsffo/im_david_aldridge_head_of_engineering_at_bungie/[/url] The post by WonderPhil92 goes on to say [quote] So does this outright mean no more surprise missions, or just that the resources won't be spent on them to make them encrypted but they'll still exist? [/quote] The engineer replies that [quote]Ah that’s a fair followup - it just means that thus far we haven’t decided it was worth investing in the encryption. That could change in the future, and I haven’t seen presence/absence of encryption feed into decisions on whether to make secret missions - after all we have other surprises regardless, eg narrative twists, and datamine leaks don’t make us shy away from those. :) [/quote] All this entire thing means is that we might get missions, but they won’t be hidden once the patch that contains them goes live. Just like how we could see Outbreak existed in the API once the patch with its mission dropped. People are taking this entire thing completely out of context.

Except no, they didn't say that. They said they're difficult to encrypt because they involve encryption across multiple different disciplines that often end up interacting in unexpected ways that are time consuming to fix. "Expensive" in context means more than just $$$. Quote that adds a lot of context: "The main challenge is the web of connections between pieces of content. Suppose you want to encrypt a secret mission. Ok... let's tag the world art spaces (bubbles) and the activity itself as "encrypt behind this key that we'll release later". Victory! Except... hm, there are rewards from the mission that we also want to hide, their flavor text contains spoilers. And bits of audio that are managed in a separate pipeline for localization, we should tag those. Oh and then there are quests we've authored that involve repeatedly playing that mission, need to encrypt those too. Oh crap, now there are validation systems screaming at us because we just punched out holes in all these different content sets, which broke references from yet other content sets... we need to change how those work." [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/yrsffo/comment/ivvtl57/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3[/url] They are not giving up on including missions like Whisper and Zero Hour, they're just giving up on spending the time and money it takes to encrypt them. Think Presage and Harbinger, which were not necessarily secret in the way that Whisper/Zero Hour were, but were still unexpected and surprises to the vast majority of the playerbase. In the same post he also says, "We've dug into this pretty deeply a few times - several brilliant people here are passionate about it," and "Ah that’s a fair followup - it just means that thus far we haven’t decided it was worth investing in the encryption. That could change in the future, and I haven’t seen presence/absence of encryption feed into decisions on whether to make secret missions." Clearly this is something they are passionate about and are trying to make work.

[quote] it just means that thus far we haven’t decided it was worth investing in the encryption. That could change in the future, and I haven’t seen presence/absence of encryption feed into decisions on whether to make secret missions – after all we have other surprises regardless, eg narrative twists, and datamine leaks don’t make us shy away from those. :)”[/quote]

I thought eververse was going to pay for these missions? Another lie.

That makes me think lightfall is too expensive, really about to press that refund button

You guys need to work on your reading comprehension skills. They didn't say making secret missions is too expensive, they said the encryption required to keep secret missions from being exposed by data miners is too expensive.

At one point they literally said "money from the EVERVERSE is being used to fund the development of secret missions and Dungeons". 😑

It's clear Bungie are pretty much incapable of making this game what it could be, let alone making it work. For the last two years Bungie have made it very clear what they value above all else. Diversity. Inclusion. Changing the management structure to include individuals based solely on their skin tone. Groups for certain individuals with certain personal characteristics. What happens there, as it did with my last company, is that you get what you pay for. Meanwhile individuals, who are not part of the favoured groups, are overlooked based on not fitting the desired profile the company is looking for. These individuals ultimately move on to places where their talents are made good use of, and where they are not made to feel like a lower class of person. It's pretty clear that their management either are not clued in enough to be aware of what the community think, or they do care and are incapable of and or unwilling to give their community what they want outside of select few content creators. Even the content we get is constantly bugged or just plain doesn't work. Why Sony bought this company is beyond me, I suspect it's because the game is an Eververse storefront getting eight refreshes a year while the rest of the game gets zero core activity updates and the bare minimum story and seasonal content of the same repetitive variety to hopefully keep people buying eight pound emotes and other assorted tat. Lightfall will be more of the same. I cancelled my pre order after the last two seasons being a laughable story and pointless grind for nothing that really matters. Bungie have no clue what they are doing with this game.

The process is too expensive. You would know that if you actually read the article and understood it. On top of making the mission, they have to encrypt various things to keep it "secret" from data miners and they feel the staff's time is more valuable elsewhere. Do I agree? Nope. I want more content like everyone else, but there's a lot more to making something big and keeping it secret.

no you mean “Secret Missions are ‘too expensive to encrypt’ lol”