[quote]I mean...it's not a bad super, there's just things way better than it specifically for boss damage. It's still strong as an add clear super that can double as damage. I DO think it needs some tuning, as well as thundercrash without cuirass, for the fact that their total damage was low because of the fact they originally charged quickly due to their kit. Without that gimmick, I can't quite argue it's fair for the base supers of either to be so pitifully bad. When vortex novabomb does more damage, you KNOW it's bad. They also need to tone down the hunter's super damage and bolster their base kits to compensate. No super should be doing -blam!- plus.[/quote] Wow a reasonable reply, what a rare find. Thank you for your input I agree Thundercrash also should get a buff so it doesn’t have to rely on Cuirass to be any good, and yes I don’t think it’s a terrible super I just feel like it needs to be good at something, that something being damage since it’s a giant arc laser beam. Also the reason Hunter supers are wild rn is because of those Star Eater Scales boots: it does a better job than all the super damage boosting exotics in the game and it’s subclass neutral too! I think that’s what should be toned down because all you need is 4 orbs of power after your super is full and that’s easy af with the orb generating helmet mods.