Bungle’s biggest mistakes since D1Y1… 1. Fighting internal wars between ‘creatives’ vs. ‘Bean counters’ resulting in a major power shift where the ‘Corporates’ won. To pay for that war, Destiny 1 was gutted and stuck together with sticky tape and paper clips. The Exodus of Creatives followed shortly thereafter; which left the Corporate’s supporters promoted beyond their capabilities into lead positions…and we all know how that worked out. 2. In this D2 Beta New World, and beyond - up till the present day, Bungle Corp. has steadfastly alienated its customers - particularly THIS COMMUNITY. Bungle has been caught out many, many times doing things opposite to their ‘promises’ (-blam!- grano Dali’s 🙄)…this was and is, a ‘Management’ (Leadership) issue. Despite a few chairs being moved around, this problem evidently still persists…and still THEY DON’T LISTEN OR LEARN FROM THEIR PAST ERRORS. 👈 3. Tipping Point: there must come a time in all one-sided toxic relationships when the abused party says ‘ENOUGH!’ Where no amount of ‘sweet words’ (empty promises) or minor changes to insignificant stuff, will work as they once did. The greater majority of Guardians are probably Adults / Young Adults who would be horrified to learn how Bungle’s team of psychobabblers and top-notch Marketing team so easily manipulate the player base into doing their (Bungle’s) bidding. This does not include the card-carrying members (😁) of the BDF. Are ‘WE’ there yet? 4. There is a lot right with Destiny - the artwork, the gunplay (when it’s working properly), the worlds created - since removed; the hard work of the non-management workers at Bungle - who are probably also regular Guardians, too; and, therefore, they know exactly where we’re coming from… But…there’s also a lot wrong with Destiny; it’s current and seemingly unchanged D2 Beta & Beyond mission - despite the recent shuffling of deckchairs; to shaft the players at every turn possible, ie, to promise this but do that instead - time after time after time; to maximise the $quee$e wherever possible - it just gets EverWorse; etc…etc. Whenever Bungle has ‘listened’ to US and made a small change to something, the explosion of positive support shown in the Forums is incredible! And WE all hope that finally, at last, the right people are back in charge at Bungie. But, it doesn’t last long…before it’s back to the same ‘ol-same ‘ol again… Lag / shonky architecture / a steam engine that’s falling to bits when a warp engine is badly needed / cheaters / paid carries / stupid levels of grind / low to useless rewards / an absence of fun / removing stuff to sell it back to us a little later / QoL changes requested are completely ignored / and much much more… Are WE there yet? Hmmmm!? 🙄 TLDR: not happening! 🤖 Just my 2d worth. YMMV. Cheers! MDGA 👈😔

I was waiting to preorder now I'm glad I didn't This is a great time to quit this pathetic excuse of a live service

We know why they are doing this. For the same reason they released the Presage mission early (dialogue in mission was talking about things that didn't happen yet) because it convinced people to buy the season. Too many people pick and choose which seasons to buy, instead of prepaying them for unknown content. So instead of getting $50 or $60 out of someone, they want the full $80. So either you spend $80 on the deluxe, or you spend close to that amount on the seasons you like plus the dungeons since THAT is the content people want. Worse yet, they want to make sure they double-dip into households. My wife and I both play and share DLC. But we can't share seasons, and we wouldn't be able to share dungeons. So instead of including a dungeon in WQ, which would be a single $40 purchase for a couple people in a household, they want to add another paywall for each individual. AND not including the first season of WQ in the DLC, that's another $10 per individual. People are making the argument about value. Sure, make that argument. But don't trash someone that looks at the value and doesn't come to the same conclusion as you. My wife and I can just go Play Monster Hunter World, so the value isn't really there. Maybe it's there for you, and you can skip a $80 night out. I'd rather spend that on my kids.

After a random email from Bungie over 7 years ago asking me to join the Alpha large online test for their new shooter Destiny and playing almost daily since release... I'm ready to abandon the franchise as well. Bungie was different then, they were gamers who cared abut their game. Now it's purely about the money and gameplay is no longer a priority, you pay psychologists to find out what will get people addicted and how to instill fomo. Shame on you Bungie.

-blam!- that. The Bungie anniversary -blam!- should be free. Without us, these chuckleheads wouldn’t have made it 30 years.

Any dev who can’t be bothered to update their core game modes(strikes, gambit, crucible) for years while simultaneously focussing on cosmetics can’t be trusted with pay walls. Love destiny, hate the road bungie is taking. It’s that simple.

I still like Destiny. Been playing since D1 launch and all I play is crucible. Been like this since the very beginning. I don't mind if they try new revenue methods. I sunk hundreds of hours into the franchise and saved thousands of $ as a result from not buying other games. I have zero problem with the cost of the game and the extras. I often buy expansions without even playing the PvE part. Why? because I like Bungie and the crucible. The moment they remove PVP though (they won't) I'm out. People on these forums that complain about cost are either cheap, broke, or kids. None of these things apply to me.

Destiny has been my hobby for the last 7yrs...investing less than 9 euros a month for hundreds of hours of game play is a very good tradeoff imo. Consider that many triple A games only give you 20 to 50 hrs of fun and the cost is very similar...

I’m 5-6 years into this game. Sunk hundreds of dollars and time. If I’ve come this far then all that would have been a waste to quit now

So I could be wrong... But isn't buying Deluxe overall cheaper than buying every season individually? Sure, maybe you shouldn't be able to buy them on their own, but if you're readily buying seasons, just go for Deluxe anyway to save some money. If I'm missing something blatantly obvious here, please tell me as I'm not quite sure on all the details.

If i have to choose my social life or destiny, i prefer my life.

I don't think you've fully thought this through... Exactly what content did you want to play when Witch Queen came out? - If you just wanted to play the campaign and raid that came out with the yearly expansion, you can buy the $40 version of the DLC, buying exactly what you want to play, nothing more, nothing less. - If you want to play all content over the entire season including seasonal content and all current endgame content, you can buy the $80 deluxe edition of the DLC. This gives you absolutely all content to play over the course of the year. - If you only want to keep up to date with endgame content, you now have a new option, pay for the $40 base version of the DLC plus pay just for each piece of dungeon content. If each dungeon is $20, this means spending $60 instead of $80, meaning you are saving $20 if you only care about raids and dungeons, but couldn't care less about seasonal content. This is actually a net positive to players, but you seem to think it is a reason to quit. My question is why? If you thought the new dungeons would be tied to their respective $10 seasons, why were you buying the season to begin with, was it for the dungeon or the seasonal content. If it was for the dungeon alone, then just buy the dungeon. If you wanted to play both, then I have to ask why you wouldn't want to get the Deluxe edition to begin with. This change isn't additional paywalls, it's offering options to allow people to pay for exactly what they want.

I'm abandoning D2 for Halo Infinite when it come out. Destiny was at its best when Bungie had Activision's cash to fund them. Halo Infinite will have no shortage of funding, seeing as it's Microsoft's own game.

It has been the same model for almost three years now. You are just noticing you don’t like it?

I usually just purchase the deluxe edition for all the included seasons as well. I believe I got Beyond Light for $40 as a preorder. That’s $10 for I believe each season so $40. Then the expansion basically came free. Witch Queen is double that price so it better be literally the best expansion in Destiny history.