There's a reason Hunters are the dominant class in PvP. They have the advantage, the majority of the balance is in their favor. I would like to see my theory put to the test. The 6 top hunter mains vs the 6 top titan mains vs the 6 top warlock mains. Place your bets guardians!!!!

PvP I think we’re good where we are. Hunters are pretty damn strong there PvE I think we could use some help. My biggest pain point is Celestial Nighthawk and how it compares to something like Falling Star. Now, I love Falling star and I don’t want any nerfs to happen to it, but I would like to see Nighthawk get buffed to be closer to its level. Right now a solar singe buffed Nighthawk is just barely able to compete with a non arc songs buffed Falling Star. I don’t think Nighthawk should do more than falling star but a precision shot from it should at least be pretty close to it.

We’re fine in PvP. In PvE we’ve been shit on with THREE Orpheus Rigs nerfs, boss Tether was eclipsed by Divinity, and Celestial Golden Gun was eclipsed by Cuirass Thundercrash. Arc Staff has been straight cheeks since it’s conception, and they had a chance to change that in Forsaken yet decided to just “haha spinny staff go brrrr” So we’re stuck with Stasis somehow being the only subclass that stands out because Squall will Add clear by itself, something no other Super does. Thing is we had something going with Star Eater Tethers, then Bungie went and shut that shit down.

In the last bit of every season once the PvE tuff is basically a wrap and I'm bored I'll throw myself into a ton of crucible. Since the shotgun nerf I'm pretty happy with the sandbox for the most part. There are some things that I'd like to see changed (and are being changed). 1) Celestial Fire is easily the strongest melee in the game. It's kinda crazy it's a thing the way it is now. It's being nerfed. Not exactly sure how to solve that issue other than killing the tracking and travel speed similar to the hunter shuriken. 2) 2 Icarus Dash without cooldown and the way Icarus works in super is pretty insane too. Being nerfed, but hopefully not nuked. Maybe like one dash and a cooldown, but don't get rid of it. Also...Lions Rampant? But that's a whoooole other post. 3) Fusion rifles in close quarters seem a tad too strong. I thought it was supposed to be that you're basically dead if you charge it up in front of someone and the real skill is with pre charge timing. It kinda feels like they have a bit too much forgiveness. Like you MIGHT be able to kill a fusion user with a 180 or 120 before being murdered. Rework coming so we'll see. 4) Shade Binder's super feels like the shatter radius is kind of crazy. I would sort of lobby for reducing the tracking on the freezing mechanism a little bit and drastically reducing the shatter radius. 5) Grenade launchers and the Le Monarch to HC clean up seem pretty insane. I know GLs are getting a look. I just don't super love this easy prime and clean up look. I recognize that I piled on warlocks pretty heavy, but honestly nothing a titan or hunter has done recently has felt overly oppressive. If anything, they could probably buff stasis titan back up a tad. Hunter stasis super is tricky because part of me wants to see it buffed because kill potential is low, but I know buffing it will probably make it oppressive. Just passing thoughts.

Hunters underperform across the board in PvE due to seasonal mods, tether getting nerfed, Celestial doing less damage than Nova and Missile, and the better utility and add clear potential of Warlock and Titan supers. Buffs here are warranted. Hunters are statistically middle of the road, or just barely above, in PvP, with the exception of Revenant. However, I'm not sure a buff here is a good idea. Maybe neutral game abilities, sure. But any movement buffs should be avoided 100%. Like, imagine if Hunters had Icarus Dash. These forums would look a lot different... Personally, I think the neutral game synergy within top tree Dawnblade is the staple that all classes should strive to be. Every node of the class works together. Only issue is Icarus Dash is literally the best ability in the game, hands down. The gap between that and number two isn't even close. Miles apart.

Give Titans and Warlocks triple jumps and let's see how that turns out. It is this one mechanic in the game that makes Hunters very powerful in PvP.

Warlocks are 100% the strongest PvP class. Healing/emp rift, top tree dawn and chaos really solidify its place in PvP. I’m not saying Hunters or Titans are weak, but Warlocks are the strongest.

Personally I can't stand how advantageous hunters are in pvp. Double and triple jump give way too much of an advantage for them to be the only class with it. Also dodge in comparison with the other two class abilities is absolutely cheese regarding it's cool down. Also there's the added benefit of the exotics that couple with it being able to be activated far more frequently than other class ability exotics due to the cool down. Add in glacial and shatter dive and you have an easy win pvp class through and through. (Only talking console here)

Idk I love playing Hunter but to due to how Toxic the Players are, most Hunters mistake Cheese For Skill. So for a Class with high Synerge it MIGHT look like Warlocks are broken, but the abilities don't Synergize and are clunky. [spoiler]We don't have Solar Subclass that increase Reload Speed and Stability, and Charges Super on Headshots.. we don't have abilities that allow to dodge and avoid bullets for free. We don't have abilities that allow us to Roll and gain back our melee Ability if we do it near Enemies (in fact Warlocks lost a an Arc Perk, and it got replaced with sub-perks Perpetual Charge, get a melee kill and recharge grenades and vice versa). Void Tether has been buffed so much it's stupidly easy to get kills, just dodge and jump between bow shots.(fyi increased Resistance to damage, increase to Super Activation Speed,) the ability to tether people it flys by mid air, stop people countering tether if it flys by u. There is no Counter to Tether or. Hunter Spamming light attack on Spectral Blades. Blade barrage is an A.O.E tracking One shot super (that does shatter unlike our nova,) You have a super that can one shot a Gaurdians cross map and another Super that allows you to spam attack and slam your lightening staff and again One Shot people. Hunters Arc Super is a faster TTK than Warlocks, and is only Matched by Titans. You have a Stasis Air Slam that should be a Titan or Warlock Move.[/spoiler] --- The problem is Hunters have High Syngery and High Mobility, and Mistake Cheese for Skill. And Warlocks have Low Synergize, and have to spend 4-6 months developing a build well a Hunter can speed roll and shotgun spam his way through content. I don't want to get into an Argument. a Hunter is stupidly Powerful, with unlimited amounts of synergy in skill perks, than you look at the Mods available in game, [u]for example look at the Well of Tenacity Mod, Class ability Dodge And reload and make a Void Orb, and than Grab an ability that gives u higher damage resistance or gives u maxed out intellect.[/u] Solar multi kills can spawn healing orbs, so for example, my common build, Throw a Knife, get a Kill, dodge roll, and throw another Knife and spawn an orb of Healing. And proceed to walk through content without dying on my Hunter. Titan and Warlocks Litterally can't pull off your [i]Level of Syngery, cause MORE CARE and EFFORT was put into Designing and the Hunter than other classes.[/i] Don't blame other players for being mad at [b]Hunters[/b], it's a reasonable anger, look at Bungie everyone, don't blame the Classes, loom at who made the classes. [b][i][u]Blame for Bungie for not caring about Balance and making Hunter stupidly Cheesy and Favor High Synergy for that Class alone.[/u][/i][/b] - [b]It's not the Players Fault, it's Bungies[/b].

Build crafting with hunters is easier than with any class, much more versatile than titans and warlocks overall. Breach and clear is only seasonal, so missing tether in dps is only temporal. Heart of the pack is underrated, allowing you to quickswap shotties for maximizing dps in activities. Invis will always be a great tool. If anyone disagrees, come fight me.

[quote]Also, let’s keep it civil. Replying to each other saying “you’re a moron” isn’t really the pinnacle of thoughtful discussion. It’s just a person’s opinion.[/quote] Sounds like something YOUR MOM would say ha HA [b][u]HAAAAA[/u][/b] [spoiler]For PvE I’d put them as third best. Some would call it worst, and that’s technically true, however it’s far too harsh for how close I consider them. [b][u]PvE[/u][/b] 1. Warlock 2. Titan 3. Hunter I’d like to see a buff to Blade Barrage and a rework of both Tethers. For PvP they’re a definite second, possible first, if top tree dawn gets nerfed without stompies being looked at too. [b][u]PvP[/u][/b] 1. Warlock 2. Hunter 3. Titan Both Golden Guns, the dodge, jump, other exotics, spectral blades, revenant, and middle tree arcstrider are pretty good, in my opinion. More important than both PvE and PvP, Hunters are top in the fashion game. Every armor piece is notable, with cloaks having the hood and cape (or lack of either) be noticeable and impactful. [b][u]FASHION[/u][/b] 1. Hunter 2. Titan 3. Warlock Unfortunately many looks are uninteresting, and uninspired. But that can go for all classes. Woah! A cape-less, all black, stompie (or Baskris) Hunter! Golly gee, brotato chip, you’ve achieved the pinnacle of fashion! So in conclusion, Third in PvE Second in PvP First in fashion Overall, pretty ok.[/spoiler]