the thing is no longer fun or fair, i have ran into some games and it was not enjoyable we either destroyed or the other team destroyed. the fact that pvp is even like this is bs really think this has to be the worst type of style for a pvp from any game tf2, cod, gta, all have styles that are fair and equal. guns are not the problem say in gta 5 your level 1 you get killed by a level hundred but that because of the skill and history that they had they learned and managed to adapt to the thing meanwhile you cant learn from being destroyed or destroying i know that, but think if you play now you see what guns are good and strive to get them thing is gta does not do that it lets you pick what way you want to kill close up a pistol, a assault rifle or a shotgun is good because none over come each other and each have their roles and with that state it i dont even stay if i am losing cause i know i am not going to do a "epic" come back because of the experiance and if the other team is better because it then goes to a state of unfairness to the other team say a team of hunters and a team of warlocks we know the hunters will win cause of the mobility and then what about titans well same boat because of the mobility the hunters have it unfair but that comes with a cost they are squishy and easy targets to normal bullets.... if that was true look each class having the same amount of hp and defence is stupid and that coming from a hunter main look if hunters had low health and defence with a high speed that is what i call a fair class they are fast but easy warlocks the middle mid armour and health with a boost of super energy titans high defence and health but slow and can deal more damage from close up those are fair each class needs to be good so they are intresting and can take it because of the rock paper scissors effect as i say, warlock beats hunter, hunter beats titan and titan beats warlock but i dont see that in the game so it all a mess and confusion for me and i cant see somethings cause of my way of thinking but my problem is, it is unfair and unfun to be destroyed and destroy because what is there to learn, you got a good load out use it, but that kills the fun cause you cant try anything causing the meta which is unfun to use cause it the same thing over and over again you cant tell me that it is fun cause you kill a new player or a old one i know that they did something to it, idk what but i dont like it now getting wiped by a fireteam or a better team or wipping a fireteam or a worse team it just stupid. i just wanted to say this and idk if anyone will agree, chances for me to get liked on this one is low cause people hate when people say bad stuff about crucible.