[quote]Seeing as how Y4 dlc will most likely have us dealing with the darkness and pyramid ships; anyone else feel like this is out of order and we should be fighting savathun as well as wrapping up the dreaming city/scarlett keep story arcs?[/quote] No. 1. The Hive are just one minion of the Darkness. Just the most aggressive because their worms are lilterally driving them to kill. But the Worms and "The Veil" are other minions. 2. Its in keeping with the picture of Savathun created by the Books of Sorrow and in-game storytelling. Oryx was the demon-lord, who was the unquestioning devotee of Sword Logic and violent confrontation. Savathun is the Machiavellian operator. The person who gains power from the shadows by guile, treachery, alliances, and using puppets to do her bidding. She operates like a Crime Lord rather than a Conquerer. She the kind of leader that doesn't go to war until she's already set up the situation so that victory is inevitable. So having her make her move before something has happened to weaken us, or dramatically tip the power balance in her favor would be out of HER character. But an invasion by another force might just be the opening she's looking for. I disagree about the Pyramids being the conclusion of the story. To me the conclusion is a final confronation between Light and Dark itself with Humanity and Guardians in the Middle. Destiny's lore has always bore (for me) a resemblance to the 1990s sci-fi TV series "Babylon 5". [spoiler]It created a galaxy where humanity and other "Younger races" were trapped in ideological conflict between two "elder" races that were millions of years more technologically and biologically advanced (in this fictional universe, life eventually evolves past the need for physical form and becomes sentient energy). The problem is what looks like a simple fight between Good (The Vorlons) and Evil (The Shadows) is actually far more complicated than that. Both sides manipulate the less advanced being, while avoiding direct confrontation with each other. Each seeking to increase their own influence while undermining the others. The veil is lifted when the main hero knowingly walks into a trap laid for him on the Shadow homeworld although he knows its a suicide run (his former Vorlon mentor had forseen his death there) he takes the opportunity to strike a cripping blow in the form of a ship full of nukes at the Shadow seat of power. He hears a telepathic voice in his head as he jumps into a pit right before the nukes go off. The explosion leaves the Shadows severely weakend and in confusion. So the Vorlons take advantage of the opportunity...remove the veil of "Goodness" they had been wearing...and start going around the galaxy destroying Shadow bases and slaughtering any younger races that were aligned (or enslaved) by the Shadows. Under the guise of "cutting out the infection". When the Shadows recover their wits, they start doing the same thing to Vorlon facilities and races aligned with the Vorlons. So you have to Bull Elephants stamping around the galaxy crushing everything in their path. Long story short. The conflict between Vorlons and Shadows wasn't good vs evil. IT WAS ORDER VS CHAOS. The Vorlons believed in growth and advancement through the imposition of rigid order.....while the Shadows believed in evolution through violence, conflict and "creative destruction". The reality was both are dead-ends. The Vorlons eventually became a fossilized society that was incapble of growth or change....or even sense if individual identity or desire. Ask a Vorlon who He is...he can answer. Ask him what he wants...and you'll either get silence....or rage. OTOH, The Shadows became a utterly miltarized society whose only works were things of death and destruction. They became incapable of creating anything of any lasting value. Ask a Shadow what he wants he can tell you. There abiding sense of being around the Shadows was one of Fear and deep Sadness. As a Shadow who he is....and you'll get nothing but silence. [/spoiler] The Destiny lore hints----through the words of the Winnower----of a similar ideological conflict between two Fundamental Forces that are out of balance. One that needs to be resolved by bringing them into balance. Instead of one side winning outright. The Awoken Queen seems to sense this...but her views are so tainted at the moment by a contempt for the Traveler and the Light that it makes her larger message about balance harder to hear and to accept.

Hah. Ask Archival Mind that question I dare you

Just because the overall focus of the Expansion will be on the Darkness, doesn't mean Savathuun won't be the Raid boss. Look at Shadowkeep, 90% about Hive and Taken - yet has a Vex Raid because that season was vexxy.

Not really. I have had my fill of Hive and Taken. The Darkness will hopefully be something new...although I suspect they are just going to be a bunch of reskins.

Maybe those pyramids arent what everyone thinks they are.

Maybe savathun is the darkness.

I think we'll be facing scouting parties. Also, I'm skeptical about us getting a new enemy race to begin with.

We are going to face the Darkness twice. It’s in the Travelers Vision cutscene. I can’t believe you people don’t pay attention to stuff like this. We’ve had the literal roadmap for the storyline ever since base D2.