I am happy with crucible exclusive pinnacle weapons. In fact, i wish there were more good pvp weapons that i could get without playing pve. However, in my opinion, Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten do not belong in this game. At least on console, these two weapons are without a doubt the best pvp primaries in the game. some pulses are good, along with things like trust and ace still being great weapons, but lunas and not forgotten are just better. Sure enough they only come from pvp. This directly results in PvE players being very discouraged from playing crucible since they don’t really have anything to compete with, except i guess blast furnace, bygones, and trust. I know people worked hard for these weapons, especially those who got not forgotten, so i hate to devalue their grind. I don’t even have a problem with them myself, i’ve managed to compete using other weapons without much trouble except against really good players. I’m only saying that these guns are unhealthy for the game as a whole, and while they give pvp players something to grind for and stomp crucible with they also discourage tons of people from playing. I mean, just look on the forum from that past week. No one wants to do the last word quest because they dread going against not forgotten and lunas, even though the quest only takes a few games even for an average player. Just the thought of going against those weapons makes people not want to play, and in my opinion that is not good. I don’t know what the solution is since their would be an uproar if these weapons were nerfed and certainly if they were out right removed, so maybe this is just feedback for the future of the game. Don’t make primary weapons that are so strong that they dominate their slot and make people hate the crucible. Edit: for those saying i need to adapt and i need to git gud and what not, read the fourth paragraph. This post is not about me. NF and lunas don’t bother me, im pretty decent and can beat people who use them. The post is about the average player who just wants to hop on and play a couple games for fun but can’t stop getting a train ran through them in the form of a 3 shot at 180rpm every time they engage in a primary gunfight. Those average players make up a huge portion of the pvp playerbase and they are getting more and more discouraged as this meta continues. Also, I solo queued the lunas howl quest months ago and never use it, so saying i’m salty about not having it just isn’t really true.