For those replying on this thread stating that only Top Tier players should be able to attain weapons such as the claymore, well you couldn't be more wrong. In a well designed game all players should be able to achieve all goals with top tier/elite players likely able to achieve those goals faster than average players. Average players who persevere and who put the time in should expect to be able to attain these rewards. Before the update this was possible in competitive(and actually fun when you got going) but post the update average players or solo queuing players can expect nothing but to be stomped time and time again by a matchmaking system that favours elite stacked teams. This is not meant to be trials! If average players(majority of the player base) are locked out of the majority of the high level rewards then they will eventually stop playing the game and the game will be left with an extremely low player base or die.

people need to git gud and stop crying. I'm a mid tier player and i grinded it out to about 3k glory then got bored. I hope most people don't get it because all they do is want hand outs and cry if they don't get them.

I tried a match yesterday to see if things evened out any. 4 stack of 1.6+ kd vs a 2 stack and 2 solo, all ~1.0 kd. Absolutely nothing is competitive about that on either side!

There's also a decision bungie has to make though too that people never care to consider. How can they reward players for their time while still trying to make rewards exclusive to a certain activity? I get that people don't like the idea of exclusive gear, but if that didn't exist why would people even bother in the first place? The game is already catering so unbelievably hard to the casual player base in terms of rewards (not in terms of quantity but in terms of the reward per effort ratio) that any piece of gear, no matter how insignificant, feels even more insignificant because of how easy it is to get. Take the Destiny 1 raids for example. They had rewards exclusive to hard mode that pushed really dedicated players like myself to complete that activity. I wanted x gun so much I went through an experience most players would never get by playing the normal game. Hardships and the pain is only that much better when you feel rewarded for doing it. Now If we look at Destiny 2, the prestige modes have next to nobody doing them because there aren't rewards only hardcore players can chase. Every single worthwhile piece of gear can be earned from the normal raid at a much more comfortable rate than in comparison to prestige mode. So now is there not only no drive to do prestige mode, the ease of gear drops makes nobody have ANY desire to do them except for a small select few. Something that urged me into doing something with my friends we never though we would accomplish no longer rewards us in that satisfying way. If bungie just creates weapons that drop for everybody, what does that leave for the specific game modes besides them just having the option to do it? I have no drive to play competitive because the gear doesn't benefit me in a way that it matters so I don't participate in that activity. It also doesnt help that there's no necessity to correspond with those rewards. No way to steadily increase my power level, no interesting rewards, and no reason to play it. This same exact problem is what nightfalls are going through right now. There's no necessity or path that the nightfalls themselves have to give you a reason to do them. I grinded for dfa and duty bound, but now I no longer have any reason to do it. I remember doing the nightfall daily because it was a crucial step to quickly raise my light so I could tackle the raid to get those exclusive rewards. Now I own almost literally every single weapon in the game because I casually play it here and there. There's no drive for me to come back and play anything because of that. Activities in loot shooters NEED exclusive rewards otherwise the player base loses all reason to do them. Playing for fun is one thing, but games, at least to me, aren't fun when my time feels wasted when all's it does is speed up the process of something I can do just by playing here and there. You never want to remove the drive to complete activities otherwise you have exactly what Destiny 2 is, a hand-holdy participation reward that never can fulfill the player based off of rewards that everybody can get. Call it elitism all you want, but the very foundation of what everyone claims is a better game, is built off of that very selfish ideology. Destiny 1 is anything but A participation medal and it truly makes you feel accomplished to complete activities casual players won't do. It's that same ideology that random rolls is built off of. You WANT to be exclusive.

I disagree, I think this is a step in the right direction for a couple reasons. One of them is that this is a competitive play list, so you should be matching against people your rank. Overwatch has a similar system, albeit it is more organized, but that's beside the point. My other reason is that hardcore players need something to grind for. If everyone is handed weapons very easily, then the grind is almost nonexistent. This was a major issue at the launch of D2 as a player could play for 2 weeks and complete everything the game had to offer. I say Bungie needs to cater to the hardcore players more often as it gives people something to chase after. Not everyone should be handed good weapons, it some things need to be difficult in order for them to feel rewarding for those who get said weapons/armor.

God forbid that in a game with MMO aspects, that people who are better than others and are able to beat elite activities are able to obtain rewards that casual players can't. Look at vanilla Destiny 2, everyone got a trophy and the game was boring. Now they add something that only dedicated and hardcore players can get, and people start crying... For there to be winners, there has to be losers.

I'll just wait until next season when it is in the engrams.

There are 2 sides to this coin and once again this shows what some of the "competitive" crowd really want. In D1 they wanted SBMM removed because it was "too sweaty" playing people their own skill level and much more fun to pub stomp lesser skilled players. Of course that completely ignored that the lesser skilled players didn't enjoy getting pub-stomped all day long. Now with D2 players wanted ranked play which is now here, but players didn't like constantly facing high ranked players and getting pub-stomped all day long. So Bungie did what they should have, switched to where people play opponents their own rank. And suddenly "competitive" isn't fun because it's [i]too competitive[/i]. This change is actually going to allow more people a chance at Redrix, not less and this change is not Bungie "catering to the top players" by making them have to play each other and not roll low ranks all day. If your rank is dropping it's because you're not playing well enough. Asking to be able to play low ranked players to pad your rank isn't you looking out for the everyday player, it's you asking to be catered to so you can feel elite.

At what rank do the matches start to get really sweaty on a consistent basis?

good

Who cares? Game is dead. Dead game. Really awful dead game.

HOW CAN THIS GAME CLAIM TO CATER TO AVERAGE PLAYERS, BUT THEN HAVE EVERYTHING GOOD LOCKED BEHIND ENDGAME ACTIVITIES. Face it. This game does not cater to average players, no matter what you say. Average players can’t grind. Average players don’t do sweaty crucible.

Welcome to online gaming. All mmo's develop a "1%" class. They begin dominating all the best activities. They will then sell "runs"/cheat/hack to a point that normal players cannot complete. The developers NEVER care. They say they do. But they never do anything about it. I'm a computer game veteran. Im an excellent crucible player as well. (2.6kd that includes making up for my early days when i stunk!) I won't do Trials or Redrix grinding. Those activities are "tainted" in my opinion. Recovering and "carrying" are sad. I really wish "carrying" was a ban-able offense. Bungie doesn't seem to care. Every society, even a gaming universe society always becomes slanted! There will always be a 1% tier that does whatever they want free of serious consequences while devs look the other way as long as their game is generating money! That's just mmo life...

A lot of people say, "If you arent good enough, you dont get the rewards." I wonder how many of them live by that. There is more moral grandstanding in Destiny pvp forums than an MSNBC youtube comment section.