[quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?

[quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.[/quote] Though I'd agree with anyone in terms of how badly Bungie as a whole has been handling this, I do feel the comic was done well, so your last statement does confuse me. Many lore fans enjoyed the comic, and I personally look forward to the next.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.[/quote] Though I'd agree with anyone in terms of how badly Bungie as a whole has been handling this, I do feel the comic was done well, so your last statement does confuse me. Many lore fans enjoyed the comic, and I personally look forward to the next.[/quote] The comic was shit. The key writing technique was tell-not-show. The characters were flat and were caricatures, like Saint being a meathead instead of a reasonable adult.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.[/quote] Though I'd agree with anyone in terms of how badly Bungie as a whole has been handling this, I do feel the comic was done well, so your last statement does confuse me. Many lore fans enjoyed the comic, and I personally look forward to the next.[/quote] The comic was shit. The key writing technique was tell-not-show. The characters were flat and were caricatures, like Saint being a meathead instead of a reasonable adult.[/quote] Comic was shit? Debatable. Tell-not-show? Saint, a Titan, being a meathead? Aren't Titans in general portraid like that? Who ever said he wasn't? We know he was "like a son" to the speaker. Characters were flat? We saw more about each characters personality in the comics than we saw from the game itself. I swear, with every comment, we get more and more off topic.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.[/quote] Though I'd agree with anyone in terms of how badly Bungie as a whole has been handling this, I do feel the comic was done well, so your last statement does confuse me. Many lore fans enjoyed the comic, and I personally look forward to the next.[/quote] The comic was shit. The key writing technique was tell-not-show. The characters were flat and were caricatures, like Saint being a meathead instead of a reasonable adult.[/quote] Comic was shit? Debatable. Tell-not-show? Saint, a Titan, being a meathead? Aren't Titans in general portraid like that? Who ever said he wasn't? We know he was "like a son" to the speaker. Characters were flat? We saw more about each characters personality in the comics than we saw from the game itself. I swear, with every comment, we get more and more off topic.[/quote] Example: we’re told Osiris was so controversial yet shown very little as to why. In D1, there was a darker more mature essence to the world. That saint picked a fight with Osiris because hurrrdeeeduuurrrr imma Titan is purely immature garbage. Shitty characterization. Ikora comes off as an idiot. I swear, it’s like Destiny is your precious holy religion.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.[/quote] Though I'd agree with anyone in terms of how badly Bungie as a whole has been handling this, I do feel the comic was done well, so your last statement does confuse me. Many lore fans enjoyed the comic, and I personally look forward to the next.[/quote] The comic was shit. The key writing technique was tell-not-show. The characters were flat and were caricatures, like Saint being a meathead instead of a reasonable adult.[/quote] Comic was shit? Debatable. Tell-not-show? Saint, a Titan, being a meathead? Aren't Titans in general portraid like that? Who ever said he wasn't? We know he was "like a son" to the speaker. Characters were flat? We saw more about each characters personality in the comics than we saw from the game itself. I swear, with every comment, we get more and more off topic.[/quote] Example: we’re told Osiris was so controversial yet shown very little as to why. In D1, there was a darker more mature essence to the world. That saint picked a fight with Osiris because hurrrdeeeduuurrrr imma Titan is purely immature garbage. Shitty characterization. Ikora comes off as an idiot. I swear, it’s like Destiny is your precious holy religion.[/quote] We are shown very little? All his followers? What he preached to other guardians? We already know this info based off of lore, and the comic follows said lore. saint 14 picking a fight cuz he is a Titan is a completely false statement. Again, something that's supported through the lore and shown through the comic. The speaker was always a very under developed character. In the comic we see more of his personality than we have ever seen. As for Ikora, I can only assume this was in her early days as a guardian. So it's not too far fetched that she seemed more like she was in a student scenario (cuz she was). My holy religion? I'm sorry if I'm attempting to point out false statements in your argument, or let you see another side of the argument.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.[/quote] Though I'd agree with anyone in terms of how badly Bungie as a whole has been handling this, I do feel the comic was done well, so your last statement does confuse me. Many lore fans enjoyed the comic, and I personally look forward to the next.[/quote] The comic was shit. The key writing technique was tell-not-show. The characters were flat and were caricatures, like Saint being a meathead instead of a reasonable adult.[/quote] Comic was shit? Debatable. Tell-not-show? Saint, a Titan, being a meathead? Aren't Titans in general portraid like that? Who ever said he wasn't? We know he was "like a son" to the speaker. Characters were flat? We saw more about each characters personality in the comics than we saw from the game itself. I swear, with every comment, we get more and more off topic.[/quote] Example: we’re told Osiris was so controversial yet shown very little as to why. In D1, there was a darker more mature essence to the world. That saint picked a fight with Osiris because hurrrdeeeduuurrrr imma Titan is purely immature garbage. Shitty characterization. Ikora comes off as an idiot. I swear, it’s like Destiny is your precious holy religion.[/quote] We are shown very little? All his followers? What he preached to other guardians? We already know this info based off of lore, and the comic follows said lore. saint 14 picking a fight cuz he is a Titan is a completely false statement. Again, something that's supported through the lore and shown through the comic. The speaker was always a very under developed character. In the comic we see more of his personality than we have ever seen. As for Ikora, I can only assume this was in her early days as a guardian. So it's not too far fetched that she seemed more like she was in a student scenario (cuz she was). My holy religion? I'm sorry if I'm attempting to point out false statements in your argument, or let you see another side of the argument.[/quote] What exactly did he preach? Where did the grimoire establish that titans thought and acted like sports jock meatheads? How does even a genius act like a stupid PC emotional teenager?

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Context or not, they are taking it where they want to, but that still doesn't support the whole argument of what she said meaning they were changing the lore already there[/quote] Folklore implies its instability of consistency. They deviate on key things. Like characterization and themes. The Darkness is being removed. It’s a lighter comical feel as opposed to a darker universe. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written compared to how they were established in D1. Skim the comments and you’ll see more. Let’s take the Battle of Thermopylae for example. The movie of 300 is folklore. The documented fact is that The Spartans were 300 of a a few thousand of Greek warriors that defended Greece at that battle. They stuck in a cohesive phalanx and wore armor, contrary to common folklore of the event.[/quote] Must I find the definition of folklore and lore for you? Lore: a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth Folklore:the traditional beliefs, customs, and stories of a community, passed through the generations by word of mouth. They are extremely similar, and by you assuming that them saying folklore instead of lore implies that it's retconnable would also mean if they used the word lore instead meaning the same thing. Both would technically imply that based off your logic. The darkness was never actually removed, it was used in game referencing, you guessed it, the darkness, as an actual threat. Characters are inconsistently and poorly written? Compared to D1? I need a littler elaboration on this cuz, for all intents and purposes, D2, story wise, has started out much stronger and better than D1.[/quote] “We don’t really know what the Darkness is” I bet Staten knew exactly what it was. Oh wait, what happened to him again? I’ll let you do your research on that. Cayde is purely the jokester. Ikora was made out to be this centuries old genius that can’t competently run an Intelligence Unit. Zavala is made out to be a shitty tactician. Too many chicken jokes. Vex milk? Mute protagonist in the cutscenes even though they move like they’re talking? We aren’t iron lords? Lose our light only to get it back a mission or two later? Traveler woke up but still doesn’t do shit? Dues ex machina anyone? Gaul spends the whole story talking, then he’s supposed to be this big bad boss? How are you okay with these?[/quote] Staten did know. And guess what? They seem to be following his plan for them. An actual, physical enemy to the guardians. Cutscenes at the end of D2 story proves this. Cayde is purely a jokster, this was made clear throughout D1. As for zaval and ikora? Yeah, they needed more character building. Vex milk joke made by our ghost, standard joking since D1. iron Lord's story happened while D2 was being finished, makes perfect sense as to why there is no direct reference to it yet. Mute protagonist sucks for sure. Couldn't done with more lightless guardians, agreed. "Traveler woke up but doesn't do shit", it likely knows the threat coming and is standing it's ground with us, this is a story to be revealed as D2 continues, and as D3 comes along. They could have done more with Gaul, sure, but what they should have done with him, they are doing with Calus. Being ok with things, and viewing things reasonably are two different things. Also, Christopher Barret confirmed what I was originally pointing out about the whole folklore situation.[/quote] Yes. Staten knew exactly where he was going with the narrative and story. The writers f now don’t. Hence the “we don’t know what the Darkness is” remark. The cutscene at the end doesn’t prove shit. It’s just ships based off of concept art made back in D1. Nothing has been truly revealed. You’re reaching. Still figure out what happened to Joe? Being a jokester doesn’t mean being cringily obnoxious. I do t recall Ghost making shitty jokes until they had Nolan replace Dinklage. Even then, it wasn’t so cringey. Without light, we could have had more tactical halo-esque gameplay. That the Traveler woke up changes nothing. Life for everyone has gone as usual. Just staring at a big white ball hovering over a city filled with people we don’t see. Both Calus and Gaul are very flat, shallow, forgettable “bosses”.[/quote] So the actual quote FROM THE GAME on top of the end cutscenes means nothing? And that the ships are directly related to an Aline species called, and I quote, "THE DARKNESS". Sure it may be an assumption, but isn't it an assumption saying that they don't know how or where to take the story? I'd say it is. So in the end, your argument is just as far reaching as mine. No proper evidence supporting it. And this has little to do with my original point to the original post.[/quote] Just watched the End Cutscene. No quote at the top of the screen. Where is this “alien species” called specifically the Darkness? There’s a video where Luke Smith or someone literally says “We don’t know what the Darkness is.”[/quote] So you don't even KNOW the facts your trying to state for sure?? That was a quote from Luke Smith. But we all know like Smith is terrible at talking. The quote wasn't part of the last cutscene. If I recall correctly, the quote about the darkness happened in CoO. As for the ships being the darkness, if you look at early concept art for D1, there is one showing the same exact ships, with shadow like creatures, with the text "the darkness". This was bundle with images of every alien we have in game, along with their name.[/quote] I barely played CoO. Couldn’t force myself to play through it yet. Such a shitty and poorly executed story. I new about those early concepts but thought it was tossed to the wayside after Smith’s comment. Like perhaps Staten didn’t get to elaborate on it before he was treated like shit and left.[/quote] See, again, assumptions. I'd assume they are still following it given they HAVE it planned in the game, as shown by the end cutscenes, that has ships exactly like the ones from the concept art. Either way, both our arguments are mostly based on assumptions.[/quote] But then we have the incompetent MO of Bungie to support the idea that they’re going to mess the lore up anyways. Just the way the comic was executed and written demonstrates this.[/quote] Though I'd agree with anyone in terms of how badly Bungie as a whole has been handling this, I do feel the comic was done well, so your last statement does confuse me. Many lore fans enjoyed the comic, and I personally look forward to the next.[/quote] The comic was shit. The key writing technique was tell-not-show. The characters were flat and were caricatures, like Saint being a meathead instead of a reasonable adult.[/quote] Comic was shit? Debatable. Tell-not-show? Saint, a Titan, being a meathead? Aren't Titans in general portraid like that? Who ever said he wasn't? We know he was "like a son" to the speaker. Characters were flat? We saw more about each characters personality in the comics than we saw from the game itself. I swear, with every comment, we get more and more off topic.[/quote] Example: we’re told Osiris was so controversial yet shown very little as to why. In D1, there was a darker more mature essence to the world. That saint picked a fight with Osiris because hurrrdeeeduuurrrr imma Titan is purely immature garbage. Shitty characterization. Ikora comes off as an idiot. I swear, it’s like Destiny is your precious holy religion.[/quote] We are shown very little? All his followers? What he preached to other guardians? We already know this info based off of lore, and the comic follows said lore. saint 14 picking a fight cuz he is a Titan is a completely false statement. Again, something that's supported through the lore and shown through the comic. The speaker was always a very under developed character. In the comic we see more of his personality than we have ever seen. As for Ikora, I can only assume this was in her early days as a guardian. So it's not too far fetched that she seemed more like she was in a student scenario (cuz she was). My holy religion? I'm sorry if I'm attempting to point out false statements in your argument, or let you see another side of the argument.[/quote] What exactly did he preach? Where did the grimoire establish that titans thought and acted like sports jock meatheads? How does even a genius act like a stupid PC emotional teenager?[/quote] He preached that the Traveller was the real danger. That anywhere the Traveller went the darkness followed. That many of the teachings of the speaker was a lie. Hence why his teachings we're considered heretical. If you know the lore, you should know this. The grimoire and lore established that, though saint 14 respected Osiris, they butt heads many times. When the time came, the speaker sent saint 14 to hunt down osiris. again, established lore from D1. Ikora was torn between the teaching of Osiris, who was her direct teacher in the ways of the warlock, and the speaker. Again, early days for Ikora in terms of being a guardian. The way she acted was not at all too far fetched given the scenario. She wasn't a genius her entire life. Sometime after Osiris left , we don't know when exactly, she became the warlock vanguard. It takes big feet to become a vanguard, I'd assume, and it's obvious she has little experience based off the comic.

1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1

[quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.

[quote][quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.[/quote] the way you wield “definition of folklore” is pathetic and vain. Grimoire is French for grammar, so your point is semantics. The comics is giving a poorly written account of how it all happened. If we’re going that route, neither did you. But I know for a fact, based on their reputation, Staten and his team would not have intended Saint to be a brainless meathead. Where was it established in the original grimoire that his legend was fabricated? That was a bullshit writing decision to avoid expanding on the depth and complexity of Osiris. The D2 writing is a bullshit empty shell of what was established in the still butchered version of Joe’s writing that was the grimoire. It’s inconsistent. I refuse to accept the bullshit. Geniuses still demonstrate superb thought processes. It doesn’t magically appear.

[quote][quote][quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.[/quote] the way you wield “definition of folklore” is pathetic and vain. Grimoire is French for grammar, so your point is semantics. The comics is giving a poorly written account of how it all happened. If we’re going that route, neither did you. But I know for a fact, based on their reputation, Staten and his team would not have intended Saint to be a brainless meathead. Where was it established in the original grimoire that his legend was fabricated? That was a bullshit writing decision to avoid expanding on the depth and complexity of Osiris. The D2 writing is a bullshit empty shell of what was established in the still butchered version of Joe’s writing that was the grimoire. It’s inconsistent. I refuse to accept the bullshit. Geniuses still demonstrate superb thought processes. It doesn’t magically appear.[/quote] We consider the grimoire as lore for D1. With that being said, folklore and lore have extremely similar definitions. So with that logic, the grimoire are loosly explained stories passed down from generation to generation. THATS what was meant when she said folklore. Most of your gripes with the comic are purely personal and opinionated. YOU don't like how this and this was handled, so it must NOT be true. Even though it is officially cannon, and matches with grimoire AND in game story. Grimoire to a lesser degree. That still doesn't change the fact that she was never refrenced as an actual geniues. If you need me to find more supporting evidence for Saint 14' behaviour I can and will. Where I have provided hard evidence. You have provided personal opinions.

[quote][quote][quote][quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.[/quote] the way you wield “definition of folklore” is pathetic and vain. Grimoire is French for grammar, so your point is semantics. The comics is giving a poorly written account of how it all happened. If we’re going that route, neither did you. But I know for a fact, based on their reputation, Staten and his team would not have intended Saint to be a brainless meathead. Where was it established in the original grimoire that his legend was fabricated? That was a bullshit writing decision to avoid expanding on the depth and complexity of Osiris. The D2 writing is a bullshit empty shell of what was established in the still butchered version of Joe’s writing that was the grimoire. It’s inconsistent. I refuse to accept the bullshit. Geniuses still demonstrate superb thought processes. It doesn’t magically appear.[/quote] We consider the grimoire as lore for D1. With that being said, folklore and lore have extremely similar definitions. So with that logic, the grimoire are loosly explained stories passed down from generation to generation. THATS what was meant when she said folklore. Most of your gripes with the comic are purely personal and opinionated. YOU don't like how this and this was handled, so it must NOT be true. Even though it is officially cannon, and matches with grimoire AND in game story. Grimoire to a lesser degree. That still doesn't change the fact that she was never refrenced as an actual geniues. If you need me to find more supporting evidence for Saint 14' behaviour I can and will. Where I have provided hard evidence. You have provided personal opinions.[/quote] It’s say one thing but do another. The lore is presented as concrete documentation. It’s a fictional universe. To present content to the reader and then chalk it up as folklore is a shitty writing decision. It either happened or it didn’t. Documentation we have throughout history isn’t considered mere lore IRL. These are completely different writers out of touch with the original writers. There’s no way that the bullshit they present is consistent to how the previous writers intended. Just because Bungie owns the rights doesn’t make it good writing. It’s utter shit. She was presented as a genius. You can’t be an idiot who’s in charge of intel. The grimoire is the hardest evidence I refer to. Stop drinking the Bungie kool aid.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.[/quote] the way you wield “definition of folklore” is pathetic and vain. Grimoire is French for grammar, so your point is semantics. The comics is giving a poorly written account of how it all happened. If we’re going that route, neither did you. But I know for a fact, based on their reputation, Staten and his team would not have intended Saint to be a brainless meathead. Where was it established in the original grimoire that his legend was fabricated? That was a bullshit writing decision to avoid expanding on the depth and complexity of Osiris. The D2 writing is a bullshit empty shell of what was established in the still butchered version of Joe’s writing that was the grimoire. It’s inconsistent. I refuse to accept the bullshit. Geniuses still demonstrate superb thought processes. It doesn’t magically appear.[/quote] We consider the grimoire as lore for D1. With that being said, folklore and lore have extremely similar definitions. So with that logic, the grimoire are loosly explained stories passed down from generation to generation. THATS what was meant when she said folklore. Most of your gripes with the comic are purely personal and opinionated. YOU don't like how this and this was handled, so it must NOT be true. Even though it is officially cannon, and matches with grimoire AND in game story. Grimoire to a lesser degree. That still doesn't change the fact that she was never refrenced as an actual geniues. If you need me to find more supporting evidence for Saint 14' behaviour I can and will. Where I have provided hard evidence. You have provided personal opinions.[/quote] It’s say one thing but do another. The lore is presented as concrete documentation. It’s a fictional universe. To present content to the reader and then chalk it up as folklore is a shitty writing decision. It either happened or it didn’t. Documentation we have throughout history isn’t considered mere lore IRL. These are completely different writers out of touch with the original writers. There’s no way that the bullshit they present is consistent to how the previous writers intended. Just because Bungie owns the rights doesn’t make it good writing. It’s utter shit. She was presented as a genius. You can’t be an idiot who’s in charge of intel. The grimoire is the hardest evidence I refer to. Stop drinking the Bungie kool aid.[/quote] Your still living in D1 though. The story has progressed, whether you like it or not. There is only a few grimoire cards you can consider "hard" fact. Take the book of sorrows. As far as we know it, the stories detailed in it are 100 percent true. But take into consideration, in the games universe, this isn't at all the case, and as such we should still look at it assuming it's not 100 percent fact. Unless you are or were part of the story development team, I don't think you have any right to say what they did or did not want. Again, all I've seen from you is assumptions and opinions with very little actual facts backing up your argument. Furthermore, we have deviated greatly from the original post.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.[/quote] the way you wield “definition of folklore” is pathetic and vain. Grimoire is French for grammar, so your point is semantics. The comics is giving a poorly written account of how it all happened. If we’re going that route, neither did you. But I know for a fact, based on their reputation, Staten and his team would not have intended Saint to be a brainless meathead. Where was it established in the original grimoire that his legend was fabricated? That was a bullshit writing decision to avoid expanding on the depth and complexity of Osiris. The D2 writing is a bullshit empty shell of what was established in the still butchered version of Joe’s writing that was the grimoire. It’s inconsistent. I refuse to accept the bullshit. Geniuses still demonstrate superb thought processes. It doesn’t magically appear.[/quote] We consider the grimoire as lore for D1. With that being said, folklore and lore have extremely similar definitions. So with that logic, the grimoire are loosly explained stories passed down from generation to generation. THATS what was meant when she said folklore. Most of your gripes with the comic are purely personal and opinionated. YOU don't like how this and this was handled, so it must NOT be true. Even though it is officially cannon, and matches with grimoire AND in game story. Grimoire to a lesser degree. That still doesn't change the fact that she was never refrenced as an actual geniues. If you need me to find more supporting evidence for Saint 14' behaviour I can and will. Where I have provided hard evidence. You have provided personal opinions.[/quote] It’s say one thing but do another. The lore is presented as concrete documentation. It’s a fictional universe. To present content to the reader and then chalk it up as folklore is a shitty writing decision. It either happened or it didn’t. Documentation we have throughout history isn’t considered mere lore IRL. These are completely different writers out of touch with the original writers. There’s no way that the bullshit they present is consistent to how the previous writers intended. Just because Bungie owns the rights doesn’t make it good writing. It’s utter shit. She was presented as a genius. You can’t be an idiot who’s in charge of intel. The grimoire is the hardest evidence I refer to. Stop drinking the Bungie kool aid.[/quote] Your still living in D1 though. The story has progressed, whether you like it or not. There is only a few grimoire cards you can consider "hard" fact. Take the book of sorrows. As far as we know it, the stories detailed in it are 100 percent true. But take into consideration, in the games universe, this isn't at all the case, and as such we should still look at it assuming it's not 100 percent fact. Unless you are or were part of the story development team, I don't think you have any right to say what they did or did not want. Again, all I've seen from you is assumptions and opinions with very little actual facts backing up your argument. Furthermore, we have deviated greatly from the original post.[/quote] Here’s your and Bungie’s problem. You’re dismissive of D1. Why is that stupid? Because that was the first installment of Destiny. It laid the foundation. Why do you think D2 has received so much shit? Because it’s compared to D1: it’s foundation. If certain grimoire weren’t set in stone then they shouldn’t have been presented in the first place. To retcon their validity is to mislead the audience. Yet another shitty writing decision. I have every right to say it, considering I’ve experienced their style through Marathon and Halo. There’s a definitive mature, dark, tone through it all. If we’ve deviated it was your doing.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.[/quote] the way you wield “definition of folklore” is pathetic and vain. Grimoire is French for grammar, so your point is semantics. The comics is giving a poorly written account of how it all happened. If we’re going that route, neither did you. But I know for a fact, based on their reputation, Staten and his team would not have intended Saint to be a brainless meathead. Where was it established in the original grimoire that his legend was fabricated? That was a bullshit writing decision to avoid expanding on the depth and complexity of Osiris. The D2 writing is a bullshit empty shell of what was established in the still butchered version of Joe’s writing that was the grimoire. It’s inconsistent. I refuse to accept the bullshit. Geniuses still demonstrate superb thought processes. It doesn’t magically appear.[/quote] We consider the grimoire as lore for D1. With that being said, folklore and lore have extremely similar definitions. So with that logic, the grimoire are loosly explained stories passed down from generation to generation. THATS what was meant when she said folklore. Most of your gripes with the comic are purely personal and opinionated. YOU don't like how this and this was handled, so it must NOT be true. Even though it is officially cannon, and matches with grimoire AND in game story. Grimoire to a lesser degree. That still doesn't change the fact that she was never refrenced as an actual geniues. If you need me to find more supporting evidence for Saint 14' behaviour I can and will. Where I have provided hard evidence. You have provided personal opinions.[/quote] It’s say one thing but do another. The lore is presented as concrete documentation. It’s a fictional universe. To present content to the reader and then chalk it up as folklore is a shitty writing decision. It either happened or it didn’t. Documentation we have throughout history isn’t considered mere lore IRL. These are completely different writers out of touch with the original writers. There’s no way that the bullshit they present is consistent to how the previous writers intended. Just because Bungie owns the rights doesn’t make it good writing. It’s utter shit. She was presented as a genius. You can’t be an idiot who’s in charge of intel. The grimoire is the hardest evidence I refer to. Stop drinking the Bungie kool aid.[/quote] Your still living in D1 though. The story has progressed, whether you like it or not. There is only a few grimoire cards you can consider "hard" fact. Take the book of sorrows. As far as we know it, the stories detailed in it are 100 percent true. But take into consideration, in the games universe, this isn't at all the case, and as such we should still look at it assuming it's not 100 percent fact. Unless you are or were part of the story development team, I don't think you have any right to say what they did or did not want. Again, all I've seen from you is assumptions and opinions with very little actual facts backing up your argument. Furthermore, we have deviated greatly from the original post.[/quote] Here’s your and Bungie’s problem. You’re dismissive of D1. Why is that stupid? Because that was the first installment of Destiny. It laid the foundation. Why do you think D2 has received so much shit? Because it’s compared to D1: it’s foundation. If certain grimoire weren’t set in stone then they shouldn’t have been presented in the first place. To retcon their validity is to mislead the audience. Yet another shitty writing decision. I have every right to say it, considering I’ve experienced their style through Marathon and Halo. There’s a definitive mature, dark, tone through it all. If we’ve deviated it was your doing.[/quote] How do you expect them to continue creating stories? By sticking to the past/lore? Sure. No one is arguing that. What I'm arguing is you claiming they are trying to retcon a majority of the grimoire. Just cuz you, and a bunch of others misinterpreted a tweet. I couldn't care less if this game eventually succeeds or fails. In the end, it was just another game I played. Sure, it has some awesome lore and backstories to it. Sure, I'm interested to see where they take it. But I don't, at all, expect them to listen to me and me alone. If it flops, in the end, it'll be their fault and no one else's. BUT, you being you, it's bungies fault and anyone who enjoyed the games story, lore, and history' fault. Based off the logic you're using at least.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]1) you made my point. The comic should have expanded on this instead of referencing it. 2) saint wasn’t fixing to kill Osiris in that scene. It was a stupid “talk with our fists” bullshit story beat. Immature. 3) again, they should have expanded on this. What were the counter arguments? What other theories and equations did the people find controversially appealing? Being a genius isn’t developed. You’re either born with the IQ or not. If anything they should have expanded upon the concept of religious fervor vs scientific extremism. The depth of D1 grimoire was definitely not in the comic. It was overly childish and degrading to take seriously. The writer is an SJW Marvel failure. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/242554517/0/0 She can’t handle the complexity, maturity, depth, and and dark themes established in D1[/quote] quote]Locking this thread. 1. Asking community members to spam the forums and petition for an employee to be fired will not be tolerated. 2. The statement of "not hired on merit, hired because of privilege" is false. We have heard the feedback in regards to Grimoire, Lore, and the tweet made by Stohl on December 19, 2017. An additional tweet for some clarification was posted over the weekend ([url=https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168]link[/url]). [b]Christopher Barrett has also tweeted the following: [quote]"The Grimoire is an important foundation to the lore and world building of Destiny. We need many more stories and tales like it. That's where we're headed."[/quote][/b][/quote] Since you guys can't seem to read or look anything up yourself, there's that, confirming, again, exactly what I was saying about her tweet. I read the entire post. I get that. But it doesn't change the fact that everyone is taking her tweet completely out of context. Need I definitely lore and folklore for you again? 1. Comic does need to to expand upon something already clearly defined.the comics purpose is to show the event that led to osiris' exile. Which it's doing exactly that. 2. You have no clue what kind of relationship the two had. Maybe duking it out is how they work their issues out. Either way, it was still saint 14 attempting to dissuade Osiris away from the path he was heading down. It was Saint 14' attempt to keep Osiris in the city. You know very little about the personality of Saint 14, so who are you to say this behaviour is immature? Out of character? 3. Sure, it could have been expanded upon in terms of how it ALL happened. But again, I think this is meant to follow osiris. Most of his controversial legend in the city was fabricated by the city itself. He even points that out in the comic, and it's suggested as well by sagira IN THE GAME. 4. You're right. Genius's are born. BUT, that doesn't mean they are instantly genius's. In terms of timeline wise, we don't know how long I orange has been in the city. We know very little about Ikora as is. Heck, there is no direct quote of her being a genius in the sense that you're meaning it. The characters you want are the ones who existed in D1. This was before then, before all of Ikoras experience, before osiris' banishment, before saint 14 vanished. The story being told is NOT the D1 timeline or story.[/quote] the way you wield “definition of folklore” is pathetic and vain. Grimoire is French for grammar, so your point is semantics. The comics is giving a poorly written account of how it all happened. If we’re going that route, neither did you. But I know for a fact, based on their reputation, Staten and his team would not have intended Saint to be a brainless meathead. Where was it established in the original grimoire that his legend was fabricated? That was a bullshit writing decision to avoid expanding on the depth and complexity of Osiris. The D2 writing is a bullshit empty shell of what was established in the still butchered version of Joe’s writing that was the grimoire. It’s inconsistent. I refuse to accept the bullshit. Geniuses still demonstrate superb thought processes. It doesn’t magically appear.[/quote] We consider the grimoire as lore for D1. With that being said, folklore and lore have extremely similar definitions. So with that logic, the grimoire are loosly explained stories passed down from generation to generation. THATS what was meant when she said folklore. Most of your gripes with the comic are purely personal and opinionated. YOU don't like how this and this was handled, so it must NOT be true. Even though it is officially cannon, and matches with grimoire AND in game story. Grimoire to a lesser degree. That still doesn't change the fact that she was never refrenced as an actual geniues. If you need me to find more supporting evidence for Saint 14' behaviour I can and will. Where I have provided hard evidence. You have provided personal opinions.[/quote] It’s say one thing but do another. The lore is presented as concrete documentation. It’s a fictional universe. To present content to the reader and then chalk it up as folklore is a shitty writing decision. It either happened or it didn’t. Documentation we have throughout history isn’t considered mere lore IRL. These are completely different writers out of touch with the original writers. There’s no way that the bullshit they present is consistent to how the previous writers intended. Just because Bungie owns the rights doesn’t make it good writing. It’s utter shit. She was presented as a genius. You can’t be an idiot who’s in charge of intel. The grimoire is the hardest evidence I refer to. Stop drinking the Bungie kool aid.[/quote] Your still living in D1 though. The story has progressed, whether you like it or not. There is only a few grimoire cards you can consider "hard" fact. Take the book of sorrows. As far as we know it, the stories detailed in it are 100 percent true. But take into consideration, in the games universe, this isn't at all the case, and as such we should still look at it assuming it's not 100 percent fact. Unless you are or were part of the story development team, I don't think you have any right to say what they did or did not want. Again, all I've seen from you is assumptions and opinions with very little actual facts backing up your argument. Furthermore, we have deviated greatly from the original post.[/quote] Here’s your and Bungie’s problem. You’re dismissive of D1. Why is that stupid? Because that was the first installment of Destiny. It laid the foundation. Why do you think D2 has received so much shit? Because it’s compared to D1: it’s foundation. If certain grimoire weren’t set in stone then they shouldn’t have been presented in the first place. To retcon their validity is to mislead the audience. Yet another shitty writing decision. I have every right to say it, considering I’ve experienced their style through Marathon and Halo. There’s a definitive mature, dark, tone through it all. If we’ve deviated it was your doing.[/quote] How do you expect them to continue creating stories? By sticking to the past/lore? Sure. No one is arguing that. What I'm arguing is you claiming they are trying to retcon a majority of the grimoire. Just cuz you, and a bunch of others misinterpreted a tweet. I couldn't care less if this game eventually succeeds or fails. In the end, it was just another game I played. Sure, it has some awesome lore and backstories to it. Sure, I'm interested to see where they take it. But I don't, at all, expect them to listen to me and me alone. If it flops, in the end, it'll be their fault and no one else's. BUT, you being you, it's bungies fault and anyone who enjoyed the games story, lore, and history' fault. Based off the logic you're using at least.[/quote] I’m not trying to claim that at all. I’m stating that their writing staff is willing to render it retcon-able at their convenience. I and others in this post, and I’m sure plenty more, have given examples of how they’ve already done this. I don’t expect them to listen either. I expect that they SHOULD, but I know that they don’t. Your assertions of me aren’t even accurate. Good job projecting 👏👏👏👏👏