[quote]RESEARCH how Warframe treats their Syndicates (factions) - way more detailed, way more rewarding & meaningful in ways you have no idea. There are consequences for disloyalty..[/quote] yeah, the consequences are so harsh, god forbid you piss off the steel meridian. How will you ever deal with that minor inconvenience. If you said something about Stalker, or invasion Assassins then i would of agreed but Syndicates have no consequences other than the fact that you can only choose 3 to side with (Or 4 depending on how you do it.)

It's been a while since I've been on these forums (and in all honesty maybe this isn't the best way of coming back into them) but honestly I wanted to weigh in on this discussion and give my thoughts perhaps against my better judgement. [quote]In my opinion, your track record shows you to be a quantity over quality company. [/quote] Is this just referring to Destiny or all of BUNGIE over the timeline of games they have developed and had published? Are you including the Myth, Halo, ONI, and Marathon series? [quote] It doesn't matter if you have 1000 story missions, if they're not fun. [/quote] 1000 Story missions would be very excessive and trying to make all 1000 missions fun would be nightmarish to develop especially trying to make them fun. Then again fun tends to be subjective, so your mileage may vary. [quote] Obviously, I'm only speaking about my feedback, from my experiences. [/quote] Alright, I am open to hearing you out. [quote] Here is what I do not find fun about PvE - [/quote] [quote] Most enemies & areas can be skipped [/quote] Hrrmm...Can be skipped doesn't mean have to be skipped. You may run into players who wouldn't like to be railroaded like that. That would be a good discussion to have with them I would think. [quote] Invisible walls & kill zones everywhere [/quote] I think you are exaggerating just a tad there. Also are you referring to the original Destiny's level layout or D2's? Because there certainly are boundaries but D2's appear to be much more spaced out even from the section of Nessus we played on. [quote] Nightfall timer? That's how you make things interesting? Being that there's a timer, we all know damn well that there's no room to explore anything. A timer with bullet sponges & enormous linear maps.. [/quote] I think it's a pretty interesting way to test a player's mettle and see how well they understand the strike they are playing with additional parameters. As for the timer and not being able to explore anything...Why is that an issue? If Strikes run through areas that intersect with patrol areas in the first place, you probably could come back to those areas and explore them at your own leisure. [quote] The only objective, staying alive against predictable enemies with over powered weapons. Artificial challenge, let's go! [/quote] Are you referring to the bosses at the end of strikes? The enemies throughout the strike? Both? Saying "predictable" enemies is strange since...yeah, they are scripted. This just doesn't apply just to Destiny, this pretty much applies to all video games with hostile enemy in them. Bosses, minions, etc. each follow a script or set of scripts that they follow. It's generally up to the player to observe these scripted behaviors and formulate the best (or most fun) way to beat them. Now if you're arguing that these enemies don't challenge players to change up their tactics, the enemies don't have complex enough tactics themselves, or that they railroad players into using one method to defeat said enemy, that's different. I personally think Vanilla Destiny's Strike bosses didn't deviate enough from the base enemy archetypes they were based of off and weren't tremendously engaging. (Especially since they were more bullet spongy and you could hide and snipe.) However, the Strike bosses that arrived with and after the TTK did rectify this in my opinion with bosses deviating and using tactics and models rather unique to them. (If you'd like I list my observations in a follow up if you'd like) Also I see "Artificial challenge" being thrown around quite a bit lately. In this tidbit of text you note the things that to you make it artificial. Noted. So what is your suggestion to make it less so? [Breaking up my analysis into a couple parts due to the character limit.]

If it's not fun to you, you can not play.

Im not impressed with warframe. Destiny is alot better than that game. D2 beta in its old version already out did it.yes, im playing warframe.

Your basing the mission areas, secrets, rewards and overall mission quality to destiny 1. Considering the homecoming mission was the best mission in destiny so far saying the missions will be boring just because that was the case for the first one is a bit shallow. As for nightfall timers it may just be a modifier. Or maybe it's like a tier reward system. There are three times to beat and the rewards are better if you beat the better time. Kinda like time relics from crash bandicoot. My point is that we don't know how long the timers are, if they are for every nightfall or are just a modifier, or if they don't influence rewards in some ways. A bit too early to trash the idea

Warframe!? Are you kidding me? There's no true story or endgame purpose to your fighting! If you don't get your gear in game you have to pay for it actual weapons and armor ( just like a free to play typical cell game ) Then you have the original story with no end: Tennos vs greniers - Tennos ( children of the corn like beings stuck in pods on the moon controlling shell like beings that have outlines instead of actual faces aka lazy game design ). Greniers - mechanical warped human beings currently assuming control of planets. So it's 1 race of beings fighting another 1 race of beings with no real endgame spending way more than you would in micro transactions than you would with Destiny. Free? No. Sorry. It's a glorified free cell game with pay walls and outlines of faceless creatures STUCK in 3rd person only mode. Can't compare to destiny and especially what's coming in d2

As an MR19 on Warframe, I can say without a doubt that Syndicates are not as alluring as you make them seem, don't hype up people's expectations in a false way. People hardly even run syndicate missions anymore since they are largely a waste of time when you could be running Sorties and Void Fissures. The [i]only[/i] reason syndicates (only three honestly) have meaning for a short time is due to the Sancti Tigris, Vaykor Marelok, and Rakta Cernos/Dark Dagger, which are easily traded on the player market for plat. The consequences of aligning yourself with a syndicate is null since they enemies rival factions send after you are extremely underpowered and get nuked seconds after they spawn. Outside of unique weapons and Augment mods, there is no "detail" to be found in Syndicates. We use them for one time items and then they're quickly forgotten.

I've been playing Warframe on PC while waiting for D2. Warframe is fun and totally garbage at the same time. Honestly its nothing more than a glorified freemium mobile game with shiny graphics. I've killed millions of the same 2 bad guys on the exact same shitty looking maps over and over again. The level designers have no imagination. People thought Destiny 1 was a repetitive grind... Nothing compares to the repetitive grind that is Warframe. Any time I get a blueprint for a new item I have to wait 24+ hours for it to be usable. Oh unless I pay money then I can use items as I get them but the amount you have to spend is on a level of stupid that I haven't seen other than in freemium mobile games and garbage Korean games. The game is paywall after pay wall. Its not pay to win thankfully but sadly instead its pay to have fun. Well unless you have the time to put countless hours in every day. Why am I playing it then? Because its has promise and its a good time waster while I wait for D2. Long of the short all the complaints you have Warframe has too and Warframe did a worse job of it. 1) Runing the same maps over and over b. Yep warframe does this on a level I have never seen before and their level design is terrible and ugly 2) Killing the same mobs b. So far in my time of playing Warframe there has only been the same crappy looking mobs over and over and over again. 3) Boring loot. b. While this is only opinions Destiny's loot I could at least use it the moment I got it while in warframe you have to gather mats by grinding missions on particular planets over and over again and every mission looks exactly the same as the last mission. Then once you have the mats you have to wait 24+ hours for the item to be usable. Once you have crafted it you than have to use that item for dasy on end to have it be as good as the last item you were using. In Warframe you also run mission because you HAVE to and they are all exactly the same every time every planet. They could have 500 planets its all the same. Warframe is a classic free to play grind fest with endless paywalls

90%of what you just described could be said about Warframe.....

When I read about the 80 missions and activities and 55 plus hours worth of content, I thought to myself: "Surely the community couldn't possibly spin this positive news into a negative." But no. Once again the community had risen to the challenge and proven me wrong. I will never underestimate you again.

You want to explore during a nightfall? We've only seen 1 story mission, and a strike. I assume you thought they wasn't fun. I didn't have an issue with them, but I am interested in what happens now after Gary kicked my ghost off the ship, and my power is gone. I know it comes back, but looking forward to finding out how. However you seem to have made up your mind that it's not going to be fun. The only advise I could give you is, don't buy the game. When it comes out, you can look at reviews, and game play, and if it then seems like it's a fun game to you. Then buy it. If not, then you won't have wasted your money on a game you don't play.

They could have 800 missions instead of 80 and it still won't matter if the gameplay is shit because of slow abilities and lack of class perk customization. Also, the article conveniently leaves out a significantly important detail: How long are these 80 missions? Are some of these 80 missions nothing but "talk to the NPCs at the farm" tutorial-like crap? Those certainly don't count as content....

1. Didn't know you had a time machine and could tell me how good/bad a game is before it even launches. 2. D1 and D2 are pretty much not even comparable seeing how many changes have been done to D2 already, and to tell you the truth I was getting worried about D2 until they completely cleaned up their act. Like for real I think D2 will be a great game. 3. I'm still going to buy it, and so are you, and quite frankly I think all the people who said they weren't going to buy it.. will still buy it. If you really are a hater then please go play warframe and stop complaining about a game that hasn't even come out yet. See you in D2!

I just want to say I enjoyed that video. Dude was right on about people not admitting the flaws with Destiny. Refreshing to hear a streamer or YouTuber not just gargling on Bungie's sack about how great it is that everything is watered down to -blam!-all.

...Did you not play the D2 beta? Homecoming was phenomenal, and there will be a ton of missions like that? Yes, please

There is a goddamned timer in the Nightfall right now. Go there, right now. See the thing in the corner? Its timer. 30 mins, which is generous because most of the time everybody I play with is trying to beat it, to get the lowest time we can. See those green nodes on planets with the arrows? They are called Patrols. I think I once spent 3 hours in one just tooling around, looking in every nook and cranny...because thats what you do there. You go exploring. Patrol = Explore. Nightfall = Rewards. Simple, if you explore in the Nightfall....sheer idiocy. Now I see that this place is just for people to moan and cry about anything they hear. Its gone past having concerns about the game, and now its just crying about every piece of information that comes out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmyuE0NpNgE - The Bungie Forums these days.

I stopped at cant explore in nightfall. Holy mother of god.

It seems that Destiny is hell bent on removing player freedoms and choices. Where other games are increasing customization and custom gameplay to heights I only imagined possible. I dont get it. Sure nerf pvp into COD i dont care. But what did Destinys pve do to deserve getting its GROWTH stunted. Theyre going backwards.

I don't really take bobbins as feedback anymore. You can't get much more bias than he does and it looks like he had to pull more than half the video out of his ass. Speed talking, excessive cussing. I honestly think he enjoyed it but had a hard time admitting it. Personally I doubt he has even really played destiny 1

What are you doing with your life? Seriously think about it, you're on a video game forum complaining about a game you don't like. At least other people on these forums are talking about a game they actually enjoy, your life is miserable. You have plenty of other options: Play another game, get some fresh air, spend time with your family etc.