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America hits peak anti-intellectualism: Majority of Republicans now think college is bad

[quote]Has America hit peak anti-intellectualism? Aside from the election of Donald Trump, a businessman born into wealth whose only notable expertise is in reality television, there is now more evidence that the right-wing’s long game of denigrating U.S. institutions to reshape political discourse is succeeding. A new Pew Research Center poll released on Monday revealed that there is one U.S. institution perceived through a larger partisan divide than even the media: It’s college. For the first time, a majority of Republicans think that colleges and universities have a negative impact on the country. Fifty-eight percent say that colleges “are having a negative effect on the way things are going in the country,” according to Pew. In other words, the Wall Street banks are more popular with Republican voters than Stanford, Harvard or the University of Akron. Just two years ago, a majority of Republicans, 54 percent, rated universities’ effect as positive. As Pew noted, “this shift in opinion has occurred across most demographic and ideological groups within the GOP,” but in particular the poll found that positive views of colleges among Republicans under the age of 50 sunk by 21 percentage points from 2015 to 2017. While Republican views of colleges and universities remained largely the same throughout much of the Obama administration, 65 percent of self-identified conservatives now say that colleges and universities have a negative impact on the country. Positive views of colleges dropped even among Republicans who hold a college or graduate degree, declining by 11 percentage points during the last two years. Democrats and independents who lean Democrat, on the other hand, continue to hold a positive attitude toward such institutions, with 72 percent saying they approve of higher education. Republican politicians in recent years have pushed back on the four-year degree, building upon their long-hyped attack on institutes of higher education as bastions of liberal indoctrination. Last month, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, held a hearing titled “Free Speech 101: The Assault on the First Amendment on College Campuses.” The Wisconsin State Assembly passed a bill last month allowing college administrators to expel students for “disrupting” college speakers. It’s likely no coincidence that just as conservatives decry the scourge of “political correctness” on liberal arts campuses, their campaign to undermine the institutions that defend a growing diversity of voices among students and faculty is bearing fruit. Arizona Republicans recently threatened to cut funding by 10 percent from public institutions that offer courses and events that are “designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group” or advocate “solidarity” based on ethnicity, race, religion or gender. Donald Trump’s threats to defund the University of California at Berkeley following a February melee in protest of right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos’ scheduled appearance harken back to Ronald Reagan’s 1966 campaign for governor of California, during which he pledged “to clean up the mess at Berkeley” caused by “a small minority of hippies, radicals and filthy speech advocates.” The right has long decried the ivory towers of academia, but now that those ivory towers are increasingly filled with members of marginalized communities, such attacks are beginning to resonate with average Republicans. Between Election Day last November and April 2017, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has documented at least 330 incidents of bias on university campuses. More than 135 incidents since the start of the 2016 academic school year, the SPLC reports, have involved recruitment efforts by white supremacists. [/quote] Surprise level: 0

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  • Max, you can't worship college. College is the biggest monopoly of all time, not saying it's a bad thing though. Colleges do not exist to educate people and get them far in life, but they exist to [b]make money[/b]. I'm sure this is no surprise, but in a world where education can be accessed for free, why do we need a shiny certificate that only signifies that you passed school again and that you had money to pay for it. Another issue with colleges is these crazy professors creating a science out of everything. We have courses in some of these schools that are overly bias (effectively turning the school into a liberal training camp, which I'm sure you have no problem with) like gender studies. Honestly, colleges aren't horrible and I look forward to attending one, but they are by no means perfect and not some super good thing.

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    • Well considering what you libs did at evergreen I can't say i blame them

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      • Edited by Warlock: 7/14/2017 3:37:08 PM
        I'm not a fan of how goddamn expensive it is, alongside how few people are getting jobs outside of college that coincides with their major, if that's what you mean. So in that sense yes, I guess I don't like the current state of college/universities. You would do better to post a less-biased article that shows both sides of the coin

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      • I think the complaint from that article is "modern higher education is not a good thing because it pushes a far left agenda on its customers" Now if they pushed a far right agenda, I'm sure these people wouldnt be raising this much of a fuss while the opposition would be going ballistic because that's how these things work.

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      • Surprise level that you have made yet another idiotic post with countless downvotes: -450

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        • I bet if universities heavily pushed a right wing agenda liberals would be saying the same things.

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          • Universities and colleges are the new frontiers of indentured servitude in which they hold the futures of young people ransom to give them useless pieces of paper after four years of work and then for that worthless paper slip students are meant to pay back the institutions for years and years, and it is the only debt that bankruptcy cannot absolve them of. They've proliferated a cultural meme that university and college are essential, so that everyone will go, so that everyone will be committed to paying them tens of thousands of dollars. Unless you're doing STEM (and even some STEM courses), you may leave university stupid than when you went in, and with a massive debt following you through your life. And where universities were once places of higher learning and the pursuit of knowledge many have now been reduced to the polar opposite. Even STEM is becoming subject to it.

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            • It's due to fact that most colleges spew socialist Marxism and then enslave your children under a mountain of student debt that will take half your life or more to repay. Then to top it off most kids can't find a job in the field they majored in. It's not a Republican thing max it's any American with common sense can see what colleges are doing to the kids.

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              • First off salon.com (i.e. Brietbart for SJWs) Secondly, at some point you just look like a poe. Either that or you are so intellectually dishonest that you are wrapping yourself into a cocoon of lies. American student loan debt is sitting around $1.4 Trillion, meanwhile more than [url=https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/current_issues/ci20-1.pdf]30% of all college graduates, and more than 40% of recent college graduates are underemployed[/url]. Is college really a great option do you think? [url=https://youtu.be/Vw9e8k34FPU?t=2m6s]There's no reason to think otherwise, huh?[/url] Your level of contempt for conservatives is starting to disgust me Max. They don't get everything right, but they have pretty -blam!-ing good arguments. The problem is you keep dredging up straw men from propaganda mills.

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                • Now this is a story all about how My life got flipped-turned upside down And I'd like to take a minute Just sit right there I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air In west Philadelphia born and raised On the playground was where I spent most of my days Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school When a couple of guys who were up to no good Started making trouble in my neighborhood I got in one little fight and my mom got scared She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air." I begged and pleaded with her day after day But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way She gave me a kiss and then she gave me my ticket. I put my Walkman on and said, "I might as well kick it." First class, yo, this is bad Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass. Is this what the people of Bel-Air living like? Hmm, this might be alright. But wait I hear they're prissy, bourgeois, all that Is this the type of place that they just send this cool cat? I don't think so I'll see when I get there I hope they're prepared for the prince of Bel-Air Well, the plane landed and when I came out There was a dude who looked like a cop standing there with my name out I ain't trying to get arrested yet I just got here I sprang with the quickness like lightning, disappeared I whistled for a cab and when it came near The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror If anything I could say that this cab was rare But I thought, "Nah, forget it." – "Yo, home to Bel-Air." I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later." I looked at my kingdom I was finally there To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air

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                  • Just because you go to college doesn't make you an intellectual. And the argument "against" college is you don't need to rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt to "get a good job". College isn't for everyone Max.

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                  • Hahaha, troll level also 0. Come on max, an article from an obscure source that [b]starts[/b] the article by bashing on trump/trump voters already proves how badly slanted the article will be. As a conservative who went through college personally, 90% of professors are liberal, out of those, a decent amount push their views as hard as they can. That's more than likely why people are cautious about colleges now. Everything is being politicized.

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                    • Edited by Inspectorfreely: 7/13/2017 10:33:57 PM
                      My issue is not with the numbers, it's with Salon's logic. Since Republicans aren't down with "political correctness", they believe colleges are having a negative effect on the students, thus making Republicans anti-intellectuals. When they're complaining about colleges filling their students up with bullshit, most Republicans aren't talking about the STEM fields, they are talking about the social science and humanities fields. In recent years, those fields have been poisoned by postmodernism and neo-marxism. The videos I linked are videos of Jordan B. Peterson, a psychology professor at the University of Toronto, talking about how those two ideologies have spread like wildfire throughout colleges and why it's hurting those institutions. Political correctness is just one of the underpinnings of postmodernist/neo-marxist thought. The idea that Western society is a patriarchy society that oppresses females at every turn, straight cis gender white males are racist, sexist, savages, white people have a privilage that needs to be checked, racial/ethnic minority groups need affirmative action (racism of low expectations) to get anywhere in the world, diversity is more important than merit, capitalism is immoral, and we should put the needs of the collective ahead of the individual are some other trappings of postmodernism/neo-marxism. Many Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and classical/english liberals find this school of thought to be anit-west, anti-liberal, and pro-identitarian. With this information in mind, one could see why Republicans aren't happy with what colleges are doing to their students. They are saying that the colleges are being anti-intellectual, but since these institutions are treated like the medieval Catholic church, it's almost impossible to criticize them without being labelled as a "heretic to intellectualism." Now this doesn't mean the right is immune to identitarianism and anti-liberal thought. The alt-right and the religious right are the right's equivalent to the SJWs of the left. The difference, however, is that these groups' ideologies have very little impact on people because most people see these groups for what they are: ideologues. Social justice, on the other hand, has seeped into our culture even though it's just as bad as the other two ideologies. The main reason why social justice has been able to seep into our culture is because it's propped up to be this ideology that fights for equality, which, on the outside, seems good to most people. It's not until you dissect it when see how bad it actual is. Tl;dr: Salon uses research to push their tribalistic views onto its readers. Postmodernism and neo-marxism is cancer. Edit: This was suppose to be a reply to his reply to my previous comment. Here it is Me: [quote]> reads article > article is bad > sees where it came from > "oh okay that makes sense" Potential reasons why colleges may be damaging people: https://youtu.be/edz7-nWscrQ https://youtu.be/X_Kfm_qWpN0 https://youtu.be/jW295iF3b_8 https://youtu.be/7WTftKxMJas [/quote] Max's reply: [quote]> reads article > article is bad > sees where it came from > "oh okay that makes sense" Would you rather have this article? http://www.people-press.org/2017/07/10/sharp-partisan-divisions-in-views-of-national-institutions/[/quote]

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                      • [quote]Salon[/quote]

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                      • Maybe conservatives should stop being lazy and go create colleges of their own. Liberals have worked hard to have the influence they have in colleges. I wonder why conservatives don't have a voice in colleges? Is it because they don't believe in the idea of school. In the 1960s liberals were out in full force taking over institutions. What were the conservatives doing? Don't blame colleges for being liberal, blame conservatives for doing what they do best... nothing.

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                        • Well, look at colleges now. I bet those gender studies classes are pure intellect. Look at UCLA, it is now requiring students to take classes on 'diversity.' Universities now ban speakers because some students will have their feelings hurt. Harvard is having a black-only graduation, literally segregating themselves. MIT is publishing a book called Communism for Kids, because lets teach our kids how great Communism is without mentioning the millions of deaths it caused.

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                        • And libs HATE free speech. Repubs are only 50% of the problem.

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                          • Finally!! Someone is saying it. College is in a horrible state right now. Not just financially. Right now I'm taking federal taxation. My schedule is basically like this... Week 1 chapter 1-2 Week 2 chapter 3-4 Week 3 test chap 1-4 Chapter 5-6 Week 4 test chap 5-6 Chapter 7-9 Week 5 test chap 7-9 Chapter 10-11 Week 6 chapter 12 Week 7 final. That's 3 tests in a row while learning new material, studying for the old material and completing 20 hours of hw each week for 1 class on top of the tests. How the -blam!- am I actually supposed to learn this stuff in a week? No I'm going to study for a test, and learn to take a test instead of learn for actual knowledge. People cheat, buy answers, take aderol to stay up and study the night before a test. Unless you go to an ivy league school, or luck out with just an amazing teacher. College is mostly bullshit. I skipped college to find a job, worked with people who had bachelor's and they were -blam!-ing morons still. I was better at the job than them and they had degrees in the field.

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                          • Max, darling, it says that republicans don’t like the state of which college is in right now. They want to change the way it functions. They never said the base idea of College was bad.

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                          • Not even republican but my problem is with the people who run the colleges.

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                          • I think you should post this on MSN's opinion list

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                          • What clickbait. Did you read what you quoted? It said 58% of republicans don't like how colleges are NOW, likely meaning the political bias or even the high cost versus what you get out of it. They did NOT say they think the idea of college is bad and we shouldn't have them. If anything I thought you'd be onboard with a reform college idea.

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                          • Edited by Gladlin: 7/12/2017 4:44:19 PM
                            Looking at some of the videos of these children's behavior on some of the college campuses and it is easy to see why the conservatives think this way. Holding protests to prevent a speaker from speaking? If you don't like the person or their message, don't go hear them speak. Simple. Then you see videos like the University of Missouri protests or the behavior of students on the campus of Evergreen College and it does give impression that colleges and universities are having a negative effect on our nation. I'm not saying that this is the case. In all likelihood, these incidents are the exception to the rule. The university that I attended did not have these issues, nor did any other campus in my home state or currently in my adopted home state. It is all a matter of perception. However, one cannot look at one or two universities and just assume that they represent all universities in the nation.

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                            • Maybe if colleges and universities like Berkeley focused their efforts on furthering the education of their students instead of telling them what and how to think, we wouldn't have this problem. This is on the environment that Berkeley, Evergreen, etc. have created, one that no doubt you whole-heartedly support.

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                            • I don't think they mean that colleges, themselves, have a negative impact on the country. I think what they mean is that closing off ideas from one side is bad for the country. College is meant to expose students to all ideas and let them figure things out for themselves and form their own opinions. It really sounds to me that these Republicans simply oppose oppression of ideas, which I agree with.

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                              • Its not "anti-intellectualism", its just some healthy skepticism of our crestfallen institutions that no longer value real intellctualism.

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