So a few days ago, i made a post directed to krishna's prophet about the Eötvös Effect, an effect that "proves" the earth is an oblate spheroid. (The link to my original post can be found [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/219418733/0/0]here[/url])
Krishna, low and behold, did reply, and now i am faced with counteracting his argument. (His post is linked [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/219465377/0/0]here[/url])
Now, please sit back, grab some hot coco and popcorn, and watch the fireworks.
[quote]The Eötvös effect is a perceived the change in gravitational force caused by the change in centrifugal acceleration resulting from eastbound or westbound velocity. When moving eastbound, the object's angular velocity is increased (in addition to the earth's rotation), and thus the centrifugal force also increases, causing a perceived reduction in gravitational force.[/quote]
[quote]The major problem with the Eotvos effect: it assumes that gravity exists and that[/quote]
Let me stop you right there.
[quote]it assumes gravity exists[/quote]
[quote]assumes[quote]gravity[/quote][quote]exists[/quote] [/quote]
Ok. Theres no denying it. If you throw something in the air, no matter what, it WILL come down. (Unless obstructed) Lets assume that gravity is not a thing and use your explanation.
[quote]magnetic fields[/quote]
So, whatever force it is, gravitational, mass effect, magnetic fields, the force DOES exist. So, no matter what it is, it still behaves in the same way. So, no matter what we call it, its all the same.
[quote]But as the earth is actually Flat, [/quote]
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[quote]earth[/quote]
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[quote]actually flat[/quote]
O_O
WOAHWOAHWOAHWOAH.
You cannot just assume the earth is flat. You counter my arguments by saying all my evidence is based on the assumptions of the worlds shape.
You admit, you cannot PROVE the earth is flat. You just use evidence. I do the same.
If you have to assume the earth is flat to provide the smallest hint of logic, therefore all evidence you use is invalid UNLESS....
you can find evidence based on the flat earth theory.
[quote]That being said, I would like to ask ifarted69 a question: if the Eotvos Effect is so prevalent, why dont we notice it when driving across America in either direction? Why doesnt the supposed west to east 1000mph rotation of the ball earth not effect the Narmada river in India, which flows AGAINST the earths rotation?
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A) you should have opened with this
B) simple.
When you are in a car, moving at say.., 75 mph, and the car turns left sharply. You perceive to be thrown to the right. When in reality, your velocity, (75 mph) has a change in direction. Your inertia path is altered, causing a seemingly "throw" to the right.
You do not notice you are currently moving, relative to the orientation of the core of the earth. The Etövös effect describes how path north and south change the end vector of the direction.
(Yes i know that probably didnt make sense. Im tired)
So there ya go krishna. Theres your answer.
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2 RepliesTomorrow: [quote]My response to his response to my response to his response to this thread[/quote]
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3 RepliesYou realize he's trolling you? Granted, one of the best and most dedicated, but IMO you should stop feeding him.
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1 ReplyWait do people on here actually think the Earth is flat? I thought that was just a joke wtf
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Just don't let him get to ya
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2 RepliesEdited by xI Hanson Ix: 12/16/2016 11:26:39 AMFirst off let me state I don't subscribe to either model, flat or globe. I'm not that arrogant. That said, how would this effect, provided you could prove it does exist, [i]prove[/i] the earth is a globe? Rather than a spinning disc? It is the same principle as the ether experiment years ago. If you say the earth spins at around 3000mph and you travel with the spin at 100mph relative to the earth. And then the opposite way at 100mph, and both times somehow measure the force perpendicular (90 degrees) to your motion. And you do find a higher force one way than the other (because one way you are travelling 3100mph and the other 2900mph). Then no matter whether the earth is flat or not all you have proven is that the earth has spin. Not that it has spin [i]and[/i] a particular shape. [spoiler]Unless of course you conducted the experiment multiple times, each time getting further from the 'north pole' and closer to the 'south pole'. Then on a globe the force should increase (in the same direction) until you reach the equator and then begin to decrease as you reach the 'south pole'. Whereas on a flat earth the force should only increase until you reach the 'edge'. However, as far as I'm aware no such experiment has been conducted. But then even if it was, if it wasn't published in a journal, you would say it isn't credible.[/spoiler] Tldr - if that effect is proven, beyond doubt, to exist. Then all you have proven is that the earth has spin. Not that it has spin [i]and[/i] a particular shape.
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Respond to yourself [spoiler]bet you won't[/spoiler]
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5 Replies[quote]You do not notice you are currently moving, relative to the orientation of the core of the earth. The Etövös effect describes how path north and south change the end vector of the direction. (Yes i know that probably didnt make sense. Im tired)[/quote] It didn't. I, as a person who does believe the earth is a sphere, have no idea what you are saying here
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1 Reply[quote]centrifugal force[/quote] I'm sorry, but did you mean Centripetal Force?
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2 RepliesI might be wrong but your talking about the theory of relativity right? If so you may want to mention that in your post and use this videos to help explain it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TgH9KXEQ0YU If I'm wrong please tell me.
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1 ReplyGuys we've been to space there are people in space we have a space station why are we having these?!??!?!?!?
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7 RepliesThe force is strong with this one
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5 RepliesWait. There's actually people who think the earth is flat?
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3 RepliesThanks for the response. As I said in my reply, I am busy so I wont be able to get back with you until Fri or Sat. Sorry... :(
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1 ReplyYou watched vsauce. ..... I like you 😎😎😆
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1 ReplyCan't believe that these conversations need to be had, it's obviously a sandwich.
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1 ReplyThis is what #Offtopic needs more of. Friendly, civilized debates and conversations.
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2 RepliesHow old were you when you made your name OP? [spoiler]cuz i like it[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyDon't make this a fad
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1 ReplyYou realize you can reply to responses right? You don't have to keep making posts responding to people.
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7 RepliesRead the first part. Got bored. Meh. #StopTheFalseFalseProphet
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2 RepliesI find your lack of faith in Krishnas disturbing... ...praise him.
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6 RepliesYou are not thrown to the right. Your momentum wants to keep moving you [b]forward[/b] so it gives the illusion that you are being thrown to the right. The vehicle turns left but you continue straight.
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1 ReplyEdited by Dave the vex756: 12/14/2016 4:44:29 PMNot only this but gravity is not caused by universal acceleration as flat earthers believe it is actually caused by an object having mass. You see time and space in a certain way exist the on the same plane, and any object with mass creates a fold in this plane causing what we know as gravity. This creates the odd orbit of mercury.
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1 Replycheckm8
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2 RepliesWhy did this require 3 posts instead of simply replying to each other
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1 ReplyI read this in Armoured Skeptic's voice