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Edited by BraveCole:
9/5/2016 3:38:02 PM
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The Last Word Should Get A Complete Overhaul
[spoiler]contrary to my other posts, this one is more on the serious side.[/spoiler]
Okay so The Last Word is kinda weird right now.
The nerfs and buffs to hand cannons have affected TLW in many ways. The gun was meant to be hip fired but the blanket buff to hand cannons that increased accuracy when ADS made this gun more consistent when ADS, making the exotic perk almost useless.
Here's an idea on how I think the gun can be balanced.
Return the precision damage increase when firing from the hip and increased stability.
But.
The gun can only be fanfired when firing from the hip. If you ADS, it will fire like a regular handcannon.(seriously, how is a guardian able to ADS and fanfire at the same time)
When ADS, the gun receives an increase to range and accuracy.
When firing from the hip(fanfiring), the gun receives an increase to precision damage and stability.
Thoughts?
Edit: What I meant by "increase to range and accuracy when ADS" is that ADS with the weapon will give it a slight range boost to avoid phantom bullets. But it will not get the significant range boost of the first curse.
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I think that it should return a bullet to the mag when you get a hip fire kill so that way it can be seven in pve. The gun is so cool but so useless in half the game
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Or just cancel the aiming on the gun and only allow the hip fire
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This is pretty good
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I agree with the hip fire, but not ads. Right now, I don't fan fire ever. But tlw is most effective when ads and the trigger is tapped. So to increase the range and accuracy to a gun that already beats weapons outside of its range no matter how you Nerf it isn't going to sit too well.
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6 RepliesBungie favors this and thorn like no other weapon. Its not going anywhere because of that. In fact, lets create a cowboy hat cosmetic so that it TRULY is the wild west when you go into crucible, since everyone also loves TLW almost as much as Bungie does.
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Agreed! This gun was meant to be fired from the hip. The ADS part sounds alittle op, maybe just increase accuracy not the range.
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12 RepliesWhat should really happen to it is for it to be left behind in year 2....
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I agree except for the bonus to hipfire precision damage.
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24 RepliesI have been on burning shrine and gotten body shot (approximately 167 damage on my 1000 yard) then shot by a last word, by the same guy who was on the opposite side of the map. I think the gun, at the very least, needs more damage falloff.
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3 RepliesTlw is balanced stop whining.
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All i want is the gun to be more viable in PvE activities. Hipfire bonus damage should've stayed for PvE....
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Last Word does need an overhaul, but it needs to be balanced properly. Last Word has been a problem weapon ever since it's discovery as the best close/mid-quarters PvP Primary. Granted, it only holds 8 bullets to a clip, but it isn't balanced around an archetype like every other weapon. Now, some weapons do have their own unique Archetypes when it comes to Exotics (take MIDA, for example), but Last Word really pushes the boundaries. You should have a Hand Cannon that does 68 body and 87 precision damage while firing as fast as an ADS Suros Regime, Last Word is capable of a 3HK while firing so fast that you can't counter it unless they either miss or are using it well beyond it's effective range. In my honest opinion, Last Word needs to be adjusted so that it has significantly less damage if it's going to fire that fast. It should be a 4 Precision Hit Kill or a 5 Body Hit Kill, not a 3/4.
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Edited by TheBeejAbides: 9/5/2016 4:28:48 PMLeave it behind. That's how you fix it.
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Edited by LiamCDM: 9/5/2016 11:40:54 PMI believe they should restore the perk, and increase the impact slightly, but nerf the range again.
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Great ideas.
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I never use the full auto (fan fire) on TLW anyway. All that does is make people have to press the trigger. Hardly a change feller. All you're doing is restoring it to its former self. One love.
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Step 1. Return it to its original state. Step 2. Crucible "balancing" devs go back to looking up retarded memes instead of effing up the crucible coding. Step 3. Profit.
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-blam!- no. The last word is fine the way it is. Leave it alone. I barely ever use the thing but I don't want it going back to op.
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I agree but keep the headshot damage at the 81 or whatever it is as of currently while hip fireing
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Edited by BRAX7ON 117: 9/5/2016 11:03:42 PM
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My thought is that thats a terrible idea
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I'll take it. Anything that brings back the hip-fire mechanic (exotic perk). This extra reward for ads-ing a hip-fire weapon was ridiculous in the first place.
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2 Repliesbring back bonus damage to hipfire and remove high RoF when ADS. Ever since Handcannons got shat on, I've lost a large amount of love for using them. I still run them a lot but they have too many problems right now to make them viable reliable choices.
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I'm sorry but no, Bungie and this community need to leave The Last Word alone. It's had enough buffs and nerfs now, I'm getting sick of it but yet everyone can use MIDAS, Party Crashers, Doctrines etc and no one bats an eyelid. If in an ideal world you want The Last Word 'To Be Fair' then strip every single weapon of its stats and just have weapon arch types, because it's stats and perks that cause these conflicting views.
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I simply dislike the last word because bungie decided to "fix" all other hand cannons when they decided TLW and hawk moon needed another nerf
