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Edited by Seraphamor:
8/8/2016 3:13:31 AM
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My opinion on shoulder charge.
So... It seems shoulder charge is OP now? What the hell. Shoulder charge really hasn't been touched whatsoever since day one.
[spoiler]Except that time when they tweaked shoulder charge to deal Arc Damage instead of Kinetic Damage.[/spoiler]
I honestly have no clue how the Flying Knees of Justice have become OP overnight. Nobody was complaining about it. Then BOOM. OP PLS NERF.
This is what I think happened. Please note, I may be entirely wrong.
1. Some streamer or YouTuber got killed by a flying knee and got all angry. The Person in question's following then proceeded to form some sort of collective hive-mind and spam these forums with Titles such as "F*CKING STRIKER", "NERF TITANS", and "SHOULDER CHARGE IS OP". The posts in question often are simply a wall of indecipherable text, that not even Variks could translate. Trust me, he tried.
OR
2. The players with garbage K/D's Ran out of things to blame for their deaths. Examples include, Bladedancer, Trip mines, Viking Funeral, Fist of Havoc, Suppressor Grenades, and Twilight Garrison. This is not really a surprise at this point.
I know there will be some members of said Hive-mind saying, oh, He's a Titan, he's biased. Let me address that right now.
I am a 334 Sunbreaker Titan. I have been a Titan since day one, Also, by no means am I the best crucible player.
Now, When I use my striker Subclass, I value a maximum armor build and Titan skating over a flying knee and a crappy shield.
People love to cry, oh, shoulder charge is broken. Yes. You are correct. There are some aspects of shoulder charge that are indeed broken. Sliding shoulder charges and 180 Knee scoping is kinda broken.
I admit it.
Every Subclass has a ability that is optional on the skill tree.
For example,
Striker
Unstoppable
Shoulder charge
Juggernaut
Nightstalker
Keen Scout
Predator
Shadestep
Sunsinger
Touch of flame
Angel of light
Gift of the sun
These are meant to change the play style of the class.
There are some who want Shoulder charge to use a melee Charge.
Okay, that fine, but to balance that, Shadestep would have to use your Smoke charge instead. Same goes for the other classes.
[spoiler]This is not supposed to make sense. I need h8 mail. Pissing off Nightstalkers usually works.[/spoiler]
Now, let's talk about how to counter a charging Titan.
Often, Charging Titans will run at you in a straight line. This gives you many opportunities to land headshots with your primary. This method is the easiest and most common. Hand Cannons and Auto Rifles work particularly well in this scenario.
Try throwing a grenade at a Charging Titan and again, use your primary. It's there for a reason.
I'm sure by now, everyone has obtained a Party Crasher +1 or a Conspiracy Theory-D.
Did it occur to you to use the absurd range of those shotguns to kill said Titan?
In conclusion, my thumbs hurt like hell for typing this long ass post, and I believe shoulder charge is fairly balanced. Often, you let that Titan get so close to you.
Pay attention to your radar.
As always, I am open for civilized Debate and discussion on this matter.
Thank you for you time, and have a nice day.
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Weapon type buffs and balances https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/209928585/0/0
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2 RepliesWoah.. slow down, why would an ability that is meant to be a OHK, be compared to shadestep. . Just because people use it as a movement ability. . ? Bungie has admitted before that titan skating and shoulder charger weren't exactly working as intended but didn't see the need to change anything... my point is shadestep was made to be an evasive maneuver .. shoulder charge was not.. it is a melee and should use the melee charge [spoiler]titans have twilight garrison as their movement ability [/spoiler]
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The reason why everyone is crying nerf shoulder charge is because every titan you see basically runs around the playground pushing people. One game the only way this titan got a kill from what i saw was shoulder charge. You say counter with a grenade. Unless it's sticky they run past it cause they are in fact running. Counter with a primary. Ok sure but when it comes to 3 or 4 shots its not like I see the titan Sprint from half the map. Usually it's from around the corner or relatively close by. So it's a chance yes your shots get first before it's slammer time. Even shotgun is not a guarantee as they may have an over shield or that shield up. Its like a 60/40 chance. You mention the skill trees for all classes. Now forgive me I don't play titan or warlock so I don't know the skill tree meanings and my info about titan is the fact how shoulder charge works when I'm facing it. But, the hunters are pretty much passive. Keen scout I can't kill you while you are hiding behind that rock I can just see you for a short time. And I can move faster while I crouch. My anchor is pretty neat but honestly never have used it because I use shadow shot as a means to kill and suppress nearby people. Shade step is the most useful but I can't kill you with it I can't roll into you and you die. It has already been nerfed from 2 to 1 sucks but I can adapt. Now you want it to use the smoke bomb? It has already a 3 sec cool down which can be the difference of life and death I.e. the last word kills in 2. Shotguns can also kill in between that time. And shoulder charge does not use your melee and only cool down is the Sprint lock. So I don't agree with the post those are my reasons. I am not asking for a nerf or buff just saying when said things happen we have to adapt as best we can.
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2 RepliesPretty much the only thing I would do when I played crucible daily. Majority of my kills were via Shoulder Charge. It's way too fun to not use!
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Yeah it's op because you cannot counter it with a shotgun/fusion rifle/sticky nade... Oh wait, yes you can! And it's not like you have to charge it up first while running/skating..no, you also have to do that! Anyone?!
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3 RepliesThey are titans why wouldn't they want there one shot removed
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1 ReplyHere, let me explain. Here before you i present the 1-hit aim assist range melee. Your points had flaws. Normally when i get killed by a SC it's because some idiot blankly runs str8 at my face from around a wall and there's nothing i can do about it. Also, i would like to add that when i have used SC before it can reach far out even if you're not even running in the general direction of where the opposing guardian is located. May i add that Strikers are also the fastest at running/sk8ing so this will help. They also have max/near max armour. Yes, WITH AI. AND ONE HIT. And because shotguns can't always onehit without aiming them from point blank, this can make it more difficult. Because Strikers didn't get tweaked this leaves more for people to complain about because this is the only thing i ever get killed by now.
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1 Replyas a hunter main , I think it is not SC makes Titan op now . It's cuz every other thing has been nerfed too much. Now Titan owns highest armor , speed , one shot kill SC, best grenade, and a not bad super . My opinion is to buff every other class to pre patch or nerf Titan speed and SC hit direction or range.
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1 ReplyShoulder charge is only considered op now because there are more hard scopers than ever, thus more people are getting shoulder charged and according to the forums if something kills you a couple of times it is in fact OP. [spoiler]conclusion: nerf gjallarwing[/spoiler]
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4 Replies[quote]http://guardian.gg/en/subclass/striker Silence.[/quote]
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Doesn't matter if it's op. If your gonna shit on warlocks and hunters then your better shit on Titans too.
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There shouldn't be an ability that has no cooldown and is a one shot kill every time.
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Its not op its more of the fact it actually freaking works because of the new melee codeing.
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Edited by Lazy: 7/30/2016 8:00:10 PMYea man Idk I used to use my throwing knife to finish Titans off but that was neff so I had to change my play style. Also some Titans do rely too heavily on shoulder charge just like some players rely too heavily on grenades. I believe there's something called a primary in Destiny but some people don't know what that is.
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I think it's fine. It always has been but to be fair it is a little agitating if that's all someone's using besides maybe a shotgun.
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It's yr2 noobs and Christmas noobs! What else can spark the monstrosity that's happening now?
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Shotty works great to counter it. People just need to pay closer attention to what is going on around them. Not to say that I haven't been SC'd from around a corner, but that is the exception not the rule. Just my opinion.
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1 ReplyWait, where are these forums? I agree that since shoulder charge is a OHK, it should take a melee charge. ONLY because it deals damage. Does shadestep deal damage? Last time I checked, no.
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107 RepliesEdited by Lord Tronic: 7/29/2016 7:38:11 PMThe only time I get mad about shoulder charge is when it is used with skate. It makes the titan go faster than a max agility hunter and that is unacceptable. So if they fixed the glitch/exploit that is skate I will have no problem with shoulder charge. And before people start saying that skate is completely fair just think how mad you would be if my hunter with the lowest armor could tank more damage than your max armor titan. To all those giving me hate: The name of the jump is LIFT. You can then choose Increased height: upgrades lift to carry you higher. Increased control: upgrades lift for better directional control while in the air. Catapult: upgrades lift to provide a strong initial burst of momentum. Nowhere does it say the jump is used to make you go faster because the jump is meant to increase your altitude, not accelerate you.
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Don't worry it won't be nerfed. Bungie bases the nerfs on data. Since the Hunter is till performing best everything will probably stay as it is.
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1 ReplyJust take the tracking away from shoulder charge...that's just a little over doing it for it to be one hit and have tracking hell a regular melee doesn't do that
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Sholder Charge is a Dexdarity Abillity for me, it gives me incressed agility, lets me push allies and help break my lift better, untill it becomes a problem, leave it alone
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3 Repliesyou must be new to the forums if you think there was no one complaining about shoulder charge before. its older than viking funeral posts. shoulder charge cause fustration in crucible. the same thing sunsingers got nerfed for. so just be ready for the nerf -
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1 ReplyMy opinion on pvp. Get rid of it.
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4 RepliesWtf? Why would Shadestep take your smoke? Shoulder Charge is 1 hit melee ability that has the potential of 1 hitting supers, Shadestep is a Dodge roll that you roll a few feet to the direction of your choice. If you want to obliterate Shadestep then TG should take your grenade.
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1 ReplyPlease stop bringing this up.. If you havent noticed there have been pretty much no calls for a sc nerf on the forums in a while. by talking about it you risk reigniting the argument.
