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4/6/2016 4:06:05 PM
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If it's good it's a "crutch"

Why is there this mindset in destiny that if something it good it shouldn't be used. If it's used, it's considered a "crutch". Why can't there be good things in this game? Why can't we be able to use them without ridicule? That way of thinking "said item is too good, nerf it" had only served to weaken the entire game. Nerfing anything in the game primarily because newbs are getting smashed in crucible should never equate to the same in pve, taking our experience in the AI world to shit. We need to get to a place where we all classes have good things to use and HAVE FUN with. Isn't that the real point here? We're supposed to be having fun. If we keep killing everything that seems good in the game, be it a weapon, skill, perk, super, it will only lessen every gamers experience as a whole. If you've played this game at any length, you know this. Don't ask for more nerfs of good things about our guardians, leaving our fun level, up to the inept, incompetent sandbox turds. Please people. Quit pitting the classes against each other. We should ALL feel powerful and we cannot accomplish this by wrecking this game with nerf posts. We know the people that keep making poor decisions on this games direction can't be playing he same game we do. We know they've lost touch. Please stop making them have to step in and kill just a little more of what was once, awesome. We know the only way they know how to "fix" things are by making them less powerful. It's simple, it's the easiest way to fix it and that is all they are qualified to perform. -blam!-, this game needs help, but it's own player base is just as guilty as bungie for its demise.
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  • This is exactly why I used MIDA despite everyone calling it a "crutch". MIDA has been my go-to Exotic since early Year 1. I loved more than my pre-nerf Gjallarhorn, and I loved it when it was "ugly" and "not exotic enough". Suddenly it's popular and it's a "crutch". I will continue to use MIDA in PvP. I hope I'll still be able to use it in PvE. Most of all, I will use MIDA as a cry of defiance against everything Bungie has done to hurt PvE players, against everything they do to pander to those who would see me stripped of any semblance of power. If I have to change my playstyle, then so be it.

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    • People will never know the true meaning of crutch unless they had gjallarhorns back in the dark below. That was a true crutch

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    • That's just for kids to complain, use whatever you want.

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    • Agreed. I just got a phantom medal with Bad Juju on my Void walker

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    • If your implying firebolt grenades are ok. Just stop there. They are a crutch for the sunsinger class with a mental shield option on hit...... ;o) The rest is fine.

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    • "Crutch" is a term the lesser players use to feel better when the better players trample them. It's a term used for players that can't take responsibility for their lack of skill. Terms like "Crutch", "cheater", "lagger", "camper". Those terms are all for pathetic sore losers who can't accept that they were bested.

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      • Because babies hate losing.

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      • Mida is balanced, not overpowered or amazing. Its a good gun. Shame the other guns in the game arent as balanced. Raid guns are trash. Making them reload faster wont make people use them, other than the machine gun (because its actually got good stats, not because its perks are good).

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      • "Its the meta and if you don't use it your just asking for a loss" -Giggle Monster. Whether its a supposed "crutch" or not, as long as you keep getting killed over and over by a gun that is doing well by shooting and killing enemies...then why blame any said gun to begin with. Who even started calling "OP" guns crutches anyway? They were just salty losers and suck at a game(s) so onto the forums saying they are bad and if you use said gun your bad. Later

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      • If your using mida, 1kstare, and quillums in both pve and pve. It's a crutch. Sorry.

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        • 90% of the community using the same 3 guns. Its not because that's everyones favorite guns, it's because they're broken

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        • Crutch is anything the makes a mediocre player better than what they are and without it are well, mediocre. In my opinion an example of this is using sunsinger in trials. Using sunsinger in trials makes the game ode much easier than if you're using any other super. I think that's really the only crutch in this game right now however. An argument could be made for the arch warlock melee as well. That thing can hit from a mile away. Or possibly shoulder charge on titans. It does take a reasonable amount of skill to learn how to use the Melees however.

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          • Guess my Zhalo supercell, Monte Carlo and Red Spectre are my crutches then. Since I am way better with them than Mida or TLW. Also way better with fusions in pvp than snipers. Fusions as a crutch lol. Honestly people forget about the skill of the player behind the gun.

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            • Fight the power! I feel the same way. ANY post that includes the words "crutch weapon" is automatically invalidated as just another opportunity for some anonymous person on the web to posture about perceived "skillz". If I ground for something, ran the quest lines, did the bounties, got lucky on RNG, heck WHATEVER gave me the fun thing to use, I'm using it unapologetically. I've reached the age in life where I absolutely don't care if someone I'll never meet face-to-face thinks I'm a lesser player for any reason. In fact, my attitude is oppositional enough to react to such posts by doing the very thing they're railing about. I hate PvP, but all the year one Thorn whines made me want to grab one and run around PvP.

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            • Why not just use what you want, I use whatever I feel like using and have fun doing it.

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              • I think this comes from the cookie cutter mindset where people pick perks/weapons that others perceive as good because they make it easier to get kills, rather than people taking perks/weapons which actually fit their own fighting style (and may actually be a better fit). Example? 1k Stare is the most common sniper rifle in PVP right now. However, I believe that there is NO BETTER dedicated sniper weapon better than Patience/Time. I disagree with Ninja_Lazer's post about NLB being a dedicated sniper's weapon, but he is entitled to his own opinion. True, NLB will have more ammo than a sniper slotted in as a special weapon, but if you are truly dedicated to a sniper's craft, Patience/Time is the best, and there is not really a close 2nd. If you want to hardscope and watch lanes/potential targets, Patience and time will allow you to do this without having to worry about getting flanked. You have your radar active and if enemies get close, you can change firing positions before you are at a disadvantage. You can observe people unseen for the most part due to the cloaking effect. It is the most stable sniper rifle in the game, meaning your follow up shots will ALWAYS be on target. Maybe my philosophy on sniping is different from Ninja_Lazer's, but I tend to favor accuracy of my shots over shot volume. And for me, I do not like the fact that NLB has such a slow shot rate, and to me, the site mechanic is very poor (although I have not tried a Y2 version if I am being perfectly honest). And it doesn't have superb stability. Its only advantage over P/T as far as I see it is shot volume. That's not my game. With this sniper meta, you would think more people would be running around with P/T because it really IS a dedicated sniper's weapon. But you hardly see any of them being used in PVP. Why? The perception is that 1k Stare is the best sniper in PVP, so all the cookie cutter kids go to grab it, rather than taking the time to figure out what their playstyle is and what weapon/perk would REALLY suit them best.

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                • If anything, other weapons should have been buffed up to those levels. Not nerf the preferred weapon sets...they are preferred for a reason. Because a gun kills (they are supposed to kill right?) and we use them, they nerf them and say they are overused...MAKE OTHER WEAPONS USABLE!!!. Not nerf the remaining ones...oh gawd these guys at Bungie are so backwards.

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                  • It's considered a crutch because the weapon gives you an advantage over others just by using it. These consist of Mida, Last Word, and any Sniper. These weapons are broken and remove any competitive and diversity aspects of the game. If you need a furthered explanation, go take a look at OMA Newb Tubes in MW2. They aren't considered "good" they are considered cheap.

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                  • Edited by Ninja_Lazer: 4/6/2016 5:50:10 PM
                    Crutch: A weapon or ability that a player clings to (for dear life), usually vastly altering gameplay. For example, I have a friend who uses 1KYS as a crutch. It is a good gun, but he spends the majority (60-70% of the match) with it equipped rather than his primary weapon. Were he truly dedicated to being a sniper, he would use NLB and have a sniper as his primary. But he needs the 1KYS as a crutch to lean on, and only uses his DoP when people get in close. Were he to use his primary weapon as his MAIN weapon, using the 1KYS would be okay, as it would be a weapon used for SPECIAL circumstances (namely long distance encounters where his primary is not effective). To prove my point to him, I had him play 5 clash and control games with DoT and 1KYS then again with an Arminus-D and the Stillpiercer. Then I had him play the same number of games with NLB and a Havok Pigeon. His average K/D was as follows: DoT/ 1KYS - 2.32 Arminus-D/ Stillpiercer - 1.18 NLB/ HP - 0.89 His K/D is greatly higher when using the 1KYS. He relies on the stats and perks of the weapon to get kills that he would not otherwise be able to get. I am not saying that these weapons need to be nerfed into the ground. I just think that creative restrictions should be put in place so that people aren't using special weapons more often than their primaries. Or that certain subclasses aren't overly representative...remember when having 6 Sunbreakers on a team basically meant that you were gonna lose... not really the picture of balance...or fun

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                    • Variety?

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                    • Dude they are just a bunch of winny bitches and should be ignored

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