the game is slow paced, they're over popular. they promote camping and waiting. they can one hit kill at any range all the live long day. tell me how running around and getting close with a shotgun was so annoying when someone blasted you away, and I'll tell you how boring it is to get killed instantly from nowhere without ever seeing him or engaged in jumps or gun battles. sniper meta is just random deaths. you have to avoid half the maps because there "sniper lanes" and it's somehow acceptable to be killd there. the main shotgun complaint was that shotguns killed two quick from too far away. it's no different, wait... no its worse because it's 10x's farther away now. "gee tox if you used a sniper you could counter a sniper it's no big deal" so why did everyone want thorn nerfed ? you could just thorn a thorn remember ? edit: "waaaaa I don't know how to use any gun besides a sniper" snipers are the strongest in every aspect. range, time to kill, easy to use. snipers make the game boring. make it slow. it's less about skill and more about sitting. it's not fun. if you wanna click and get points I suggest a game like... pop the bubble, or cookie clicker. but for a game about Space magic and movements and abilitys. nerf snipers. edit2: snipers have stayed the same while all other guns have been nerfed repeatedly. that is the core reason they need to be changed and brought down to everything else. edit3: the real discussion. longer time to kill will put a higher focus on gun play, removing snipers will put everyone closer giving focus to movements. both of these will bring out more abilitys and supers. all that action will bring the game back to being fun. thoughts ? edit4: "git good " just a general response to everyone who posts this, don't bother. it doesn't add anything to the discussion and it's so weak that it can't even be considered trolling. edit5: buff everything, nerf nothing. I enjoyed vanilla desnty and been here a long time some nerfs needed some didn't *cof fusion coff* but the reality is everything but snipers at some point was nerfed repeatedly and since everything is down so low the real anwser is bring snipers down or redo the full system. I'd be good with either, but I know from experience what's more likely, sniper nerf. edit6: it's really funny to see what lengths scrubs will go to defending there crutch. dear snipers you don't have skill and it's not fun to have to cater the whole game after you because you like sitting and clicking when something comes into your scope. edit7: responses I've responded to almost every comment but some have done it better then i, let's sum up. "stay out of sniper lanes" //everything is a sniper lane, any long hallway, open space, or corner is a (sniper lane) snipers sit everywhere and anywhere there's no map that you can "just avoid them." \\ "flank them, just slide and out gun them, be better." ((radar/range/time to kill. with O time to kill and all other weps needing you to spend time to get close then have time to kill after firing. getting into range with radar always giving you away and blink and other movents nerfs nothing is fast enough to close the gap. nerfs to shotguns and fusions making this harder then ever most encounters end the same. )) "just be a sniper too..." (( sure most of destiny has been forced into this meta according to destiny tracker 75% of all special kills come from 1k stare... a single gun. It's over popular, the more that pick it up the worse this meta gets. boring boring boring waiting for kills from a motionless scope. boring boring boring randomly dieing from miles away and ever getting a chance to fight back. it's not fun for anyone. "anti nerfs posts" (( if you have a way to solve the problem with the slow paced broken camp fest I'd love to hear it.)) "fusion rifles nerf post guys" ((I get the joke... but will bungie? when they nerf fusions again because enough people asked you know whom to blame. )) ................................................... thanks to everyone who made a well reasoned comment or counter argument. thanks to supporters and those who didn't agree and shared there view. ................................................... edit9: good ideas I've heard de-scope when hit with critical damage. you can still snipe under fire but not when someone's lighting up your faceplate. more flinch add sway, using a long gun means the tip will move slightly and any hits will throw off your aim. remove aim assist/auto aim. honestly I don't think AA matters, if you have skill you'll land every shot on your own either way. AA doesn't accually aim for you like the name implies it just slightly slows while you drag the scope over you still need to line up the shot yourself. but since it doesn't matter it won't be a problem removing it? long heavy gun= slower movement, longer swap times, harder handling I think this will promote more Camping and that's not my goal at all, run and gun snipers would suffer needlessly. "high impact ? low rate of fire." this would cut down on body shot sprays but honesty I have no problems using no land beyond and getting kill after kill and we all know how that gun works. "nerf them into the ground!" fine with me. " further limit special ammo" has this worked yet ? listen special ammo used to drop from guardians after kills (heavy also) after they removed that... nothing changed. limited the crates, then tripling the respawn timer ?people just camp and wait. or icebreaker. now you don't spawn with it in half the gamemodes, it's still not helping. remove it. or nothing will change unfortunately that hurts 3 other classes of guns who shouldn't suffer because of sniper meta. most agree that sniping is easy however headshots feel rewarding .................................. thanks for thoughts everyone