Just read Deej's latest post and it seems that skill based match making is out the window in favour of connection based. I've been trying to get my friends into playing some pvp recently as they hated it last year. They are still finding their feet, trying to discover what guns to use etc, and now here they are about to get demolished and demoralised one again. Why? Because, as usual, Bungie only listen to their friends and the elite Twitch steamers. I've read many threads by these people complaining about how their games are a grind now that they are matched up to people of equal skills and how they DEMAND to be able to go into a match and just enjoy themselves by destroying all they see. People complained about the lag. I'm not sure I noticed a massive difference to be truthful. All I ask is for my weapons to cause the same damage as others using the same thing. As usual, we'll have to wait and see how this plays out, but it's getting to the tipping point now fellas. Carry on pandering to the minority and you will finally finish this game for the people who pay your bills. Edit: To the people who are asking how a noob can get better if (s)he's not being challenged by going against good players. Answer me this. By your own logic, how can good players get better if they are going up against noobs? Surely playing people of similar and slightly better ability is what you are looking for. Do you really think shooting fish in barrels improves your angling skills? Second edit: well, I still have a good memory of all the whining that occurred prior to SBMM happening. The amount of hated directed to bungie at every iron banner. It would appear from reading the comments that red bars was never an issue during CBMM. I hope you all remember this thread when it goes back. Can't wait for all these no red bar, no lag games during next week's IB. Let's just see shall we.