In my opinion snipers are for the lazy camping kind of player. I am sick of getting one shot whenever I run around a corner or through a door way. With that being said, I have no desire to see them nerfed, I would like to see PvP modes where there are no sniper.

A primary only with no abilities game mode would be great.

Another thing Bungie could do is have us not spawn in with special ammo.

Not overpowered, [b]Overused![/b]

Misconception : Sniping takes skill -no, you're just camping

Increased flinch, increased ready time. Remove the short scopes. Pulling out a sniper rifle doesn't work like pulling out a sidearm. Placing rounds into a hard scoped individual shouldn't result in a headshot for me if they've eaten two pulse bursts. Reduce special ammo. Snipers aren't good because of their value, they're good in a meta where everything else has had the floor taken out from under it.

all snipers should 3 shot to the body and retain the precision damage for each archetype ldr can still revive kill pros- body and swap not nearly as effective, high impact still keep their advantage (killing supers, revive kills) high rof better if you're a body shotter, still have use cons - none?? comment something I guess if there is one

Decreasing body damage would ruin low impact high rate of fire snipers like the Emplorayans March (Forgot name)

It's not really that snipers are overpowered really...it's just that everything else is nerfed to the pits of hell...this meta has become a "keep your distance hide ya kids one"... almost everyone uses a scout rifle and sniper mostly...and yes aim assistance is pretty much a deal breaker for a lot of snipers...take a moment to think how many times did you die from a 1000 stare with shortage and not from the one off the crusible vendor or the black spindle?...aim assistance is not something new...I bet everyone that went trials year one and happened to see the Queens sniper were kinda worried at some point

OP, may I copy this post and use it for whenever someone complains about sniper aim assist? Your truth must be spread.

If pvp Crybaby's end up nerfing snipers so they are bad in pve I'll be seriously butthurt

Well I'm not sure that anyone really thought the AA was the real problem it's just the answer everyone clung to. And yes I agree it is a scapegoat. Fusions and shotguns were at one point as well and after a certain point they were nerfed to right where they were needed. Problem was bungie continued to nerf them well beyond that point. Only thing that has ever bugged me about snipers is if I am shooting them they shouldn't have an easy time headshotting me into oblivion. Now granted it doesn't happen often but it happens often enough to the point where I have to question if this is a fair scenario. Other players are suggesting they do it like in halo where the enemy is forced to scope out when hit but that would take a bit too much from the snipers. Then there is the other possible solution of increasing flinch. This i feel is the best possible course of action as it would make the game a bit less one sided, possibly create more variety and give the perk unflinching an actual use in the game rather than its current state which is mediocre at best.

Sniping is actually really easy in destiny compared to other games. Try the locus in black ops 3 and say to me that 1KYS is hard to use.

[quote]Since 2.0 dropped the bitching about sniper rifles has steadily increased to where we are now and every other post has turned into a nerf snipers thread. Even though there have been countless posts on those threads explaining how aim assist actually functions, the misconception that the bullets curve, magically track players heads, etc. refuses to go away. Planet Destiny did a video about this months ago that has been put on tons of these posts. Here are the stats for all the popular sniper rifles from year one in the 31 impact class from planet destiny’s database: [b]Dark Below: [/b] My personal favorite sniper rifle in destiny the[b] LDR 5001[/b] [b]Primary stats with min/max[/b] RoF: 19 19/19 Impact: 31 31/32 Range: 68 60/93 Stability: 52 44/86 Reload: 60 60/73 [b]Secondary Stats with min/max[/b] Aim assistance: 49 39/79 Equip speed: 43 28/63 Recoil direction: 79 79/79 Zoom: 40 40/95 [b]Longbow Synthesis[/b] [b]Primary stats with min/max[/b] (RoF and impact will be ignored for the rest): Range: 68 58/91 Stability: 56 47/90 Reload: 65 65/78 [b]Secondary Stats with min/max:[/b] Aim assistance: 53 43/83 Equip speed: 50 35/70 Recoil direction: 59 59/59 Zoom: 40/95 [b]House of Wolves:[/b] [b]Her Benevolence[/b] [b]Primary stats with min/max:[/b] Range: 66 50/96 Stability: 46 21/97 Reload: 54 40/81 [b]Secondary stats with min/max:[/b] Aim assistance: 40 30/70 Equid speed: 35 30/85 Recoil direction: 72 72/72 Zoom: 40 40/95 [b]Shadow of Veils[/b] [b]Primary stats with min/max:[/b] Range: 74 74/82 Stability: 41 37/65 Reload: 59 59/69 [b]Secondary stats with min/max:[/b] Aim assistance: 69 69/84 Equip speed: 51 51/56 Recoil direction: 70 Zoom: 40 [b]The Taken King:[/b] [b]Thousand Yard Stare [/b] [b]Primary Stats with min/max:[/b] Range: 66 50/96 Stability: 57 31/100 Reload: 62 43/97 [b]Secondary stats with min/max:[/b] Aim assistance: 56 31/71 Equip speed: 54 39/104(wat) [b]Eirene RR4[/b] (not technically in the 31 impact class as it has 34) [b]Primary Stats with min/max:[/b] Range: 76 66/100 Stability: 44 27/78 Reload: 57 43/85 [b]Secondary stats with min/max:[/b] Aim assistance: 21 21/21 Equip speed: 51 46/101 [b]Stillpiercer [/b] [b]Primary stats: [/b] Range: 66 56/70 Stability: 57 46/57 Reload: 65 65/93 [b]Secondary stats:[/b] Aim assistance: 51 41/56 Equip speed: 59/59 Zoom: 40 40/45 Now after being presented with the numerical values for all the popular legendary sniper rifles in that RoF impact class over year one and year two, you can see that thousand yard stare is right around where all the other popular sniper rifles in terms of Aim assistance and stats. Players are looking for a scapegoat for to blame for the sudden increase in snipers and they are blaming the wrong thing. While the thousand yard stare is popular since everyone got a well rolled one from a quest line, of course players are going to be using it. If re rolling was still a thing we would see everyone running one with shortgaze, performance bonus or unflinching, and hidden hand like they were with Her Benevolence during HoW. The increase in snipers is because the primary weapon type has shifted from hand cannons to pulse and scout rifles, favoring longer engagement distances. Shotguns, while some would argue they have been nerfed into the ground, are still very very good, especially the high impact class shotguns, which everyone also got a perfectly rolled shotgun from a quest line, at a higher light level in fact. Players getting sniped need to take into account that the meta and weapons usage has changed in the past few months. You can no longer basically go on auto pilot and get a ton of kills with blink shot gun and actually need to use some form of intelligence and map awareness in order to be effective with shotguns, as it should have always been. Use flanking routes, blink, shadestep, titan skating, sliding, etc. to get around or past sight lines. A lot of players still scarred from the Thorn and Last Word days are equating over use with overpowered. 1000 yard stare has a flat 1.0 k/d among equipped players. In other words Bungie’s data shows it is very balanced. MIDA too has fallen victim to the cries for nerf simply because a lot of players are using it when it isn’t overpowered at all. Now if you are going to complain about sniper rifles, there are two things that could be argued are actually worthy of your tears. 1. Special ammo is too frequent still and allows players to get most of their kills using special ammo. I’m personally convinced that a good amount of players in the crucible have no idea what a primary weapon is 2. Players are using sniper rifles to go for body shots. As the TTK has risen with the hand cannon nerfs to closer to 1 second it allows time for players to get the two body shots off with high impact snipers, something that was harder to do in year one. Decrease the body shot damage in the CRUCIBLE only to compensate for the increase in TTK. a. For some context 1kys was 22.5% of ToO kills this weekend and only 41.72% of those were head shot kills. b. Decreasing the body damage in the CRUCIBLE would promote and reward those of us that have high precision kill percentages and would increase the skill gap on sniper rifles a bit more. [b]TL:DR Complaining about 1KYS and aim assist is the wrong thing to complain about, if there is anything to complain about at all.[/b][/quote] Just make it like in Halo if your hardscoped and somebody shoots you, you're automatically taken of hardscoped mode problem solved 90% of sniper bs will disappear next stormcrawler super length nerf please

I actually agree with reducing body shot damage. I almost exclusively snipe in the Crucible, and I've thought for a while that they should reduce the base damage of sniper rifles (PvP only) and increase the critical scalar to compensate. You'll still hit 400+ damage on a critical, but not 167 on a bodyshot.

No. Sniping was fun and a challenge in year 1. Now everyone uses 1KYS and lets the game get kills for them. You don't even need to aim. Have a enemy guardian somewhat centered, press L2 then R2. BOOM! If the game didn't give you a free headshot just switch to your primary and 1 shot them. Seriously try it out. 1KYS will kill for you more often than it doesn't. Defending it means you need training wheels to snipe.