To fix the twisting head shot issue all they would have to do is make the player come out of scope if they twist more than 45-60 degrees. Making them have to body shot 2-3 times or re-scope instead. No buff no nerf . fixed?

Snipers were never a problem. Why now? Geez.. You guys are running out of things to complain about tbh. And yes I'm a sniper (;

Oh great another nerf post. Here's the solution to snipers. Rebuff blink, rebuff shotguns. So that way whenever someone tries to pull that fancy close range bull, they get shit on by shot package and range finder. Then when people complain about that, rebuff fusions, so whenever someone tries to pull some nonsense with a shotgun, they get shit on with a fusion, forcing shotgun players to make sure they get first shot. Then when people complain about that, tell them to suck it up and play the game. Problem solved.

I agree completely, but if they do that they need to buff fusion rifles a lot

[quote]Here’s a specific personal scenario that is pretty much the epitome of the “nerf herder” complaint against snipers. Scenario: I shade step around a corner, and blind side a scoped in sniper from about 10-15 feet away. I get 2 body shots in with TLW, and he turns about 90 degrees towards me and drills me with a head shot, GG. Here’s the average community response to that; Shotgunners: “Nerf Snipers!”, “That shouldn’t happen!!!”, or “It’s unrealistic!” Snipers: “Don’t run in my line of sight”, “Git Gud” or “He was just better than you” I completely I agree with the “Don’t run in front me” mindset. I think that is the intended use of snipers. Camping/Controlling a choke point/door way/area. The third argument is what I have a problem with. Orion had a great response to a similar conversation. (I only copied a fraction of it) [quote][quote]Its called "They are better than you"[/quote] Which would be fine if that logic were universally applied, but it isn't. It only applies to sniping right now. [/quote] And that’s the issue. A good sniper can dominate in ALL ranges. I am not taking away anything from the dude that wrecked me. I’m not taking away from his ability to do that, or blaming AIM assist. He used his weapon beautifully. I’ve done it. I’ve gotten some ridiculous close range snipes that left me saying “wow... Now that shouldn’t happen.” When I rock the meta, MIDA and TYS… I switch to my sniper in CQC. That should not be okay. If you run Mida/TYS you should be susceptible in close/mid range (though mida puts up a fantastic mid range fight). The ability to close quarter snipe should be looked at. Please don’t turn this in COD. The argument, “it’s unrealistic” is stupid. Is it unrealistic to lift a 50 Cal sniper rifle, turn on a dime and shoot a rolling dude from 10 ft away? Heck yes. But, compared to throwing firebolts, flaming knives, and purple arrows.. its nothing. The only acceptable argument for addressing the CQC effectiveness of snipers, is as Orion again said, [quote]internal consistency[/quote] Destiny has tried very hard to establish “intended uses” for abilities and gear. Quick scoping and short range combat NEEDS to be outside of the intended use of a sniper. Really, there is only 2 ways to do that: Nerf Something or Buff something. I am always a fan of buffing the weaker weapons to balance out the strong – but I think similar shotgun movement nerfs to snipers would be very effective. I think it would allow snipers to have the same long/mid range consistency that makes them powerful, but provide balance to encourage weapon variety. And as always, buff fusions! [b]TLDR: Snipers out perform weapons in all ranges, slow down sniper movement and equip speeds to encourage weapon variety.[/b] Let me know what you think. I’m particularly interested in what you hardcore snipers have to say about these changes.[/quote] just get rid of shortgaze scopes and make scopes high magnification. Done.

Got wasted from 10ft or less by a quick scope sniper the other night. Also been done plenty of times mid blink, with snipers and shotguns.

This is more or less what I tried to say in my thread but because I had some specific ideas many (Including Cozmo) interpreted that as me wanting Sim like behavior. Good for you for being more high level about it. As long as this issue is continually discussed.

I think they should make the short range scopes zoom in more if they want to nerf it. There's really nothing they can do about no scopes because they're just luck (except maybe making it so you can only fire with ads'd, but that's no fun).

No just leave them alone or the nerf should only touch PvP. Golgroth, war priest and Oryx's Light eaters and knights will be a big problem. They teleport if they are not killed fast enough.

yet how will this affect pve? this is all about pvp which the pvp community is well known as the whiners that have cause this issue due to whining about every weapon type so they are nerfed to the point where they are useless. so now pvp wants to nerf snipers for them and cause problems in pve as well. hmmm how bout no nerfs, screw pvp, buff the weapons u pvp whiners have ruined, and stfu with all this nerfing