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Edited by draycole: 12/30/2015 10:34:35 AM
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ARs are completely useless, last word kills faster than any fusion rifle can charge.....

[i][b]this is the absolute worst meta. I've never seen this many of the exact same load out before. Anything other than scout range is dominated by tlw, anything in scout range is a sniper or mida. All variation in crucible is absolutely gone [/b][/i] And every skirmish match I've played over the last week have been about 80% last words and snipers. But you know what? We've got a balanced pvp..... According to some of you at least. Keep believing the lies. Pvp is a joke. Edit: after listening to a few crucible radio podcasts. John Weiznewski (sorry for spelling) States on multiple occasions that he'd like a "seasonal meta" in which the best gun would change from month to month. [b][i][u]THEY'RE PURPOSEFULLY NOT BALANCING THEIR GAME! [/u][/i][/b]
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  • Does not Bow is not bowing to TLW or Mida. Been wrecking with it. My last game, 31 kills with a 2.4 K/D ratio. A gun is only as good as the person wielding it.

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    • U must be awful at the game

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    • My Monte Carlo shreds in the crucible as it is currently

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    • The last word got is close range. Mida is long. If you can't win medium range fights against these two weapons it's your fault. Because these guns are at a disadvantage

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    • Bro hush there are so many guns being used i can't even count

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      • Edited by Dogo: 1/2/2016 8:41:38 AM
        Idk if Uve seen the trails fusions, things a f*cking monster

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      • Learn to adapt, quit bitching

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      • "Never seen this many of the same load out before" = liar, or did not play the Suros metagame, when not only were auto rifles stupidly out classing everything but Suros itself was almost the only weapon worth using if you had it. The biggest difference in load outs was whether or not you put the focus fire upgrade on your Suros and whether you switched to Truth or Gjallerhorn for heavy. Even the Thorn/TLW + Fellwinters meta had less diversity than the current Mida/TLW + 1000 yard stare meta, since shotguns are still very good, plan C makes fusions present, sniping is king and you can get kills with at least one or two weapons in every primary category even against the sweatiest tryhards. I dare you to remember trying to fight the vanilla Suros with a scout or pulse rifle and tell me this is an unbalanced meta with no load out diversity.

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        • Why hasn't bungie buffed them by a lot they know the AR's are bad then why don't the just fix it the first time.

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        • One word [spoiler]Tlaloc[/spoiler]

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        • Can anybody translate this? All I'm hearing is "wahhhhh!"

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          • You haven't played against me then. My Monte Carlo is my go to. It's allowed me to achieve a Phantom and two Best Around medals since I went back to my Hunter.

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          • Um if I'm using nlb am I unskilled or "going with the meta"

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            • Edited by TrueCrescent: 1/1/2016 1:23:38 AM
              Wrong I kill last words with my Susanoo all the time.

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            • Well if they rotate the meta people will have to buy or xur or pop 3oc until they get the current best gun, and then raid or trials to infuse it. It's a clever way to keep people playing.

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            • They are trying to force different primary types into range groups. All because if they don't the majority will always use autos. What's bad is that the stability stat is still a ton more useful than the range stat. Which increases your time to kill more: a missed shot, or a shot with less damage? The range stat needs to have the potential to push a primary past its intended range for it to be worth investing in over stability. Is that op? No, because you will have neglected the stability stat in the process. Pulse rifles don't need the range nerf. Range didn't make them amazing at long ranges, stability did. Stability needed to be capped at around 85% instead of reaching 100% and being a laser beam. Stability was always what decided how far before only one shot of your burst hit them and the other two flew over the opponents head. The range nerf affects the feel of pulse rifles at the edge of their range. Instead of the instantly recognizable "One shot flew over their head. I'm to far away, add a burst." It is a "I thought I had him. Is it lag? Did I miss? Is he out of my range? I need to fire again to be safe". It is a difference in how the game feels to play, not necessarily that this would change the kill time you see? Furthermore pulse rifles with max stability feel almost indistinguishable from scout rifles in how they play, something that always felt out of place. Then there are auto rifles. Bungie's little red headed stepchild that has been tweaked so many times that you can't even recognize what it once was when Bungie had all primaries share all ranges. Bungie, I wouldn't mind that you changed auto rifles to cqc weapons if you would just undo all the stability nerfs autos got in year one. The range nerf is huge and can double your kill time as damage falls off to 50%, and that's if all your shots hit. Isn't double the time to kill enough of a penalty for engaging outside your range? Unless you use a maxed out stability auto rifle you feel like your damage hits a brick wall where your range drops off, not a fast steady decline. Why invest into the range stat if you're going to miss half your shots outside your current range? The stability stat is twice as effective as the range stat. Furthermore aiming and not being able to hit what you're firing at detracts from the feel of the game when using an auto rifle much more than the damage reduction. Just like pulses shouldn't be laser beams and a stability cap would make more sense than the range nerf making the weapons feel different at max stability from scout rifles, auto rifles feel good to play with when they are more stable and you miss shots because you weren't aiming well not because your weapon isn't stable enough to consistently land a hit.

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              • Learn to keep your distance or if you are close range use a side arm or maybe some better tactics?

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                • Edited by Wolfy: 12/30/2015 6:39:26 AM
                  Fabian with aggressive ballastics at close range melts it faster actually. Granted you need headshots but its not as hard as it sounds since it gets even more stability and handling buffs in that range. Toed off with enough TLW users lately to know well enough haha. Add crowd control after killing a dude and its super crazy

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                  • My plan C has melted many a last word user. Not to mention few TLW users are actually good enough to hit their shots if you start shooting first or at the same time spraying them down with a good auto rifle (doctrine of passing, monte carlo, zhalo supercell, etc). Legendary fusion rifles need a buff, snipers need a very slight nerf (either getting hit takes them out of ADS or causes much greater flinch to snipers), but overall this is *the* closest to balanced we've ever seen, and it's great. You think there is a category of primary that can't beat X, invite me to that rumble pit - you can use X, I get my primary of choice from the category you think can't win.

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                  • Doctrine of Passing with all head shots has a time to kill that rivals that of The Last Word. I think some user on Reddit did a thing about it recently.. But the thing is you have to get all the head shots.

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                  • Shadow price...

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                  • Edited by Elite: 12/31/2015 9:59:38 PM
                    This new meta sucks. Scouts scouts and more scouts. I think they should buff auto rifles and hand cannons to compete right now. Only good pulses are hawksaw and nirwens. Yet every match I've played I go up again mida. The gun by no means is op but when I manage to empty a whole clip of my auto and I get 4 shot by a mida is just annoying. They need to buff autos to actually make them viable in firefights in my opinion.

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                    • Then your really bad. I melt last words on a daily basis.

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                      • I mean, I had a pretty good time switching between telesto and Monte Carlo this afternoon. And face it, ANYBODY, even my 8 yr old daughter can get kills with TLW lol. And some may call it a scrub move but I can handle TLW with mida pretty well.

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                      • Do you have the mercy with good perks? Even base perks are good. Most of the time I can still do pretty decent with it. Just got the hatchet last night. Have never used ARs but will now bc it's pretty great. Sidearm and hand cannon also great. If you don't have any, try to pick one up, they can compete with mida and tlw if used correctly. I think has been a good year for IB weapons because all can be used effectively (wouldn't know about the shotgun or sniper though as I don't have either)

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                        • Idk man my suros regime was kicking butt last night

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