[b]Golden Gun: current - 3-4 kills[/b] - increase roam time by 2.5 seconds Goal: maintain 3-4 kills [b]Arc Blade: current - 2-4 kills[/b] - fix 2.0 problems (aim, registering hits) Goal: increase to 3-4 kills [b]Shadowshot: current - 1-3 kills[/b] - make tethers grab immediately Goal: increase to 3-4 kills [b]Nova Bomb: current - 1-3 kills[/b] - increase damage by 10% - increase blast radius by 10% Goal: increase to 3-4 kills [b]Sunsinger: current - 1-2 kills[/b] - increase damage during radiance by 10% - increase armor during radiance by 10% - increase reload speeds during radiance by 25% Goal: increase to 3-4 kills [b]Stormtrance: current - 3-4 kills[/b] Already averages 3-4 kills but am open to ideas. [b]Striker: current - 1-2 kills[/b] - averages aren't accurate due to fist of [b]panic[/b] counter - increase damage by 10% - increase blast radius by 25% Goal: increase to 3-4 kills [b]Ward of Dawn: current - 0-1 kills[/b] - increase armor in bubble by 40% - increase reload speeds by 25% - increase damage w/out weapons by 5% - increase damage with weapons by 15% Goal: increase to 3-4 kills [b]Hammer of Sol: current - 4-6 kills[/b] - decrease health regen'd by 50% with cauterize - decrease speed by 2.5% Goal: decrease to 3-4 kills. Open to ideas and criticism. Happy to change things to better balance. "I'm a Titan so no" replies will simply be deleted. As a community let's level our playing field. Edit 1: the salt and tears are great entertainment! Keep em coming. Also, thank you too all of you for participating in my experiment.

It last 26 seconds if you don't throw any hammers. Post like this have been all over the forums, and I'm sick of having to argue for the subclass. It's really not overpowered. Since i have to repeat myself over and over, here is my agument: The sunbreaker is a 100% super-focused class, meaning that the 6 bonus perks in every subclass meant to enhance gameplay are ALL super-focused. the hammers take skill to use at long range due to the arc and travel speed of the hammers. they are not always a one hit kill, many times, it will only partially damage an enemy if the hammer is a little off. everyone's data on time varies, and people tend to use the most extreme case for the hammer of sol lasting longer than it typically does. it can only achieve such a high time of being active if the player uses the perk where standing in a sunspot will increase duration AND the perk to increase duration. This means not using the cauterize perk to regen after kills with the hammers. people have discovered NUMEROUS ways to counter the super, making it not the tank that people seem to try to make it. Let's talk about other supers, since that has been a large argument. stormtrance, while activeley being used as a hammer of sol would be, lasts the LONGEST out of every super. Bladedancers have been over-nerfed (thanks to the same people whining about sunbreaker), however, they have the "super op" perk that sunbreakers do to regen health AND a perk to grant more super energy on kills. radiance is primarily used for self-rez and has no real offensive bonus in pvp, so we can leave that out. golden gun, you get 3-4 shots, which is less than your 7 hammers if you are constantly throwing them, but golden gun is 100% accurate, is not impacted by range, and has perks to not only enhance the super, but gameplay while NOT USING THE SUPER. the sunbreaker has ZERO perks to enhance out of super gameplay, unlike EVERY other class in the game. The nightstalker (for pvp) is pretty much an enhanced golden gun, so you can go back to golden gun for that argument. Nova Bomb and Fist of Havoc are not duration-based supers, so we can leave those out entirely. Ward of Dawn is not an offensive super, so that too can be left out. This covers EVERY other super in the game Just keep in mind that the entire subclass is focused on the super, so there is not gameplay value outside of that such as shadestep, shouldercharge, increase grenade duration hunter wall-hacks, or chain lightning on grenade damage. The subclass SHOULD have a more powerful super than any other class, because the nature of the subclass is 100% for the super. arc blade was over-nerfed thanks to people whining about it in year one, the same will happen to Titans' only good subclass for pvp if this continues... Guys... Please... Calm down. I'm getting such an incredible amount of hate for this post. I know my opinion is unpopular, but that doesn't justify insulting me and sending hate messages. This is my case in favor of the sunbreaker, and I get the same responses. Either give a new piece of evidence to the table or respect the opinions of others. This never-ending debate will NEVER end, and I hope the rest of you can recognize that. We have differing opinions, and that's that. Oh, and I was talking to my friend and he mentioned that sunbreakers are NOT able to throw grenades or melee mid-super like MANY of the other subclasses. So there's an extra thing to think about Wow everyone! 200+ comments! thanks for the support on this pressing concern of some. You guys are great!

This is funny. Yeah hammer of sol lasts forever. If you just sit there and don't do anything. As soon as you throw a hammer it drops drastically. Mad that you can get more than 2 kills with it? Cool. I've seen people clear enemy teams running arc blade. Storm trance. I titan smash. 1 Nova bomb. And pulling radiance. Oh. Double kills also happen quite often as a gunslinger as well if they're grouped up together. Does the time on hammer need to be dropped? Yeah I'd agree with that. But don't just throw that single stat about hammers. Just like gunslinger it drops when you throw. I get 4 hammers, MAYBE 5 if I'm quick enough when I'm running hammer. And that's with the extra hammers perk. As far as range goes. Yes. It needs nerfed. But so does stormtrance. Before you start getting your dick in a knot do a complete stat sheet. Not just 1 single stat.

Pls buff the duration for gg and blade dance EDIT: ALRIGHT, blade dancer only

To everyone whining about Sunbreakers: You're forgetting that while a SB's isn't active (the vast majority of any given Crucible match), his/her subclass perk tree gives almost no helpful supporting perks such as Blink, Shadestep, or any ability to generate orbs for teammates. Let's also not forget that Titans in general have the worst melee range (and arguably, abilities) of the three classes.

-blam!- THE BALANCE

How bout comparing your tax return to someone elected in office, then you'll have something to complain about. So butt hurt I swear. Where is Butthurt when you need him.

Oh yes since super time is what it's all about. Like increasing the time of Golden gun would make it sooooo much better.

Don't get me wrong, Hammer of Sol needs a nerf. But seriously, some of the arguments against it (for the nerf) really don't make any sense. Comparing HoS to GG does not work. Shooting a GG shot does not drain any of the super bar. Whereas HoS does, and quite a bit.

27 seconds is without throwing any hammers lol

HoS will last 26.78 seconds if you don't want to get any kills.

Couldn't be more fake.

[b]Sunbreaker's super:[/b] - lasts 27s, - 7 Hammers, - Amazing Shield, - Regens health on kills. - Splash damage, - Auto-Aim (it flies in curve to hit the target) - You don't have to be preceise, - Can 1 hit gunslingers... [b]Gunslinger's super:[/b] - lasts 12s, - 3 Golden guns, - No shield, - No regen health, - Can't 1 hit sunbreakers. - You have to be preceise, [b]Where is the balance bungie?[/b]

HAHAHA forgot about the 70% of the time when you don't have a super

It only lasts 26 seconds if you run around not throwing your Hammers. I don't know why people can't wrap their fuсking minds around that.