In response to what you're saying, I can assure you that I am also a better objective player than you also, considering your Trials K/D is also much lower than mine. Also, for the future, I don't suggest you criticize Crucible players who are better than you.

ill criticize who ever i want thank you regardless if your a king, prime minister, president or a cockatoo. Almost every game mode i have played has a higher win percentage then yours and you have even played more pvp then i have to go with it .. must be something going wrong for that to happen if your such a better player.. let me list them(win%) for you... Trials of Osiris ... +9% on top of your % Control +9% on yours Rift +15% on top of yours Clash +7% Elimination +22% Skirmish +23% Salvage +31% Iron Banner +13% Doubles Skirmish +23% Mayhem Clash +53% that leaves you with both rumbles (-41% and -56% from yours), zone control(-15%), and what ever else i have yet to play. now maybe you are one of those who leave if it looks like your team is doing bad.. but if that is the case then it says something entirely different which is also not good. in the end you and i have different goals and play differently in pvp. to me i do not care who or how they get kills so long as they are not cheating and my team wins, that is the goal of a competition after all. if i have to be bait or if i have to go get an objective or flank to pressure an enemy into a mistake i will do it.

Wow he looked it all up. Competitive destiny pvp (we compare stats) your a joke kid. Destiny pvp is a joke. This kids right CoD pro series, csgo; you think your so good get up to semi pro level in one of those and come back and talk to us.

Firstly, I am not questioning your right to criticize me. Whether or not it is justified is a different question. Secondly, this is starting to get creepy. What I said to you must have pierced you deep enough to the point that you need to look up all of my stats. Thirdly, I rarely play most of the playlists you have mentioned. You seem to be feigning an in-depth understanding of statistics by listing these percentages. However, what I hope you understand is the idea of small sample size. Lastly, you claim that you are even remotely close as effective Crucible player as I am by stating that you play the objective. You claim that that is why your K/D is so low. However, you fail to understand that when you die, you give the other team points. When you get a kill, you give your team points. Therefore, K/D ratio is a great way of telling if you are helpful to a team. And if you want to bring up more stats, my score per game is much higher than yours. Therefore, I bring my team closer to victory than you do. If you want to criticize my win/loss ratio, this is because I play a lot of rumble, and winning is much more difficult because there are 6 separate teams, not two. In conclusion, I suggest, you work on your Crucible skills rather than browse the forums. You obviously have no place in the Competitive Forum. I'm sure you would be much more suited for the PvE/casual forums. At least you're good at killing dregs.

no if it had it really would be creepy, at this point its only analysis of your destinytracker stats which is no less then what you have done to me using my profile. are you saying you rarely play trials? dang .. you have so many matches. i claim nothing about why my kd is low i only state how i play. im also not saying anything about statistics as if i did a survey of the populace who play destiny i looked at what your win % was only and used what i have seen of players who leave fire teams. you can win an obj based game by playing the obj better then the opponent because of thinking like yours where its all about the kills since its apparently the most important stat in a TEAM based mode if your sitting at the opposite end and killing the same two ppl over and over it means nothing if the other four are pounding your team on the obj hence you will lose the match. i never said anything about your rumble other then you play it more then i do it has no affect what so ever on any of the other modes stats which are all TEAM based. i dont think you worded your sentence right when you made this comment "If you want to criticize my win/loss ratio, this is because I play a lot of rumble, and winning is much more difficult because there are 6 separate teams, not two." as i said the win loss of your rumble does not combine with your win loss for Elimination or doubles skirmish or trials. you are overall a higher ranked pvp player then me yes but my issue with you has nothing to actually deal with that it is that you fail to look at this game as a unique experience that does not deserve to get its uniqueness gutted just because you can no longer progress your skill past what it is right now or put in the effort to figure out why you are at a standstill. gun skill is only part of the battle the rest is positioning, strategy, map knowledge and luck. it all comes together to show how good a player you really are. asking for destiny to become halo is like saying you want something your familiar with because its easier. i get its harder to get better the higher you go but thats no reason to give up and then put ppl down for not being as good as you in rumble or at being a slayer. i dont care that im not as good a player as you, but at least I am still looking to get better unlike you.

I completely agree that gunskill is not the only major factor in winning games. Map control, objectives, and strategy are all very important. However, it is almost impossible to use real strategies when there is a radar as strong as the one we see in Destiny. Maneuvers such as flanking are almost impossible in Trials when there is such a strong radar. Also, it seems that you have misunderstood the purpose of my post. It was merely to point out the unbalanced experience that is the Crucible. I did not write the post to flesh out my anger after losing a match or having a bad game. I was not making excuses for why I lose. The post was a criticism of the Crucible. I understand that you are very fond of playing Destiny. That is you own business. If I offended you by writing this post, that was not my intention. It was not my intention to flaunt my skills or compare statistics. As for your comments on my playstyle, you do not have the slightest clue how I play. You do not know if I am a dirty camper, or if I rush, or if I play the objective. You do not know if I have an ardent passion to become a better player. You do not know if I will ever play Destiny again. Therefore, I hope that any further criticisms will be directed towards my post. If you choose to bring up more stats or attack my personality, you will not get a reply. Your opinion on my statistics does not change my skill as a player. Your comments on my team skills does not change the many times I have visited the Lighthouse. Nor do your assumptions on my playstyle change how I play. If I put you down (which I obviously have), that was completely inappropriate. I hope to hold myself to a higher standard in the future when posting on these forums.

having a radar forces a different type of strategy, whats fun about being able to use the same strategies over and over let alone shotgun camping in a corner while they dance so they can see around it? your original posts last paragraph conveys different from what you are saying now with your statements of " The Crucible is unbalanced because gun skill is not a priority in determining skill. The Crucible is unbalanced because supers exist. The Crucible is unbalanced because players can spawn with some of the most powerful weapons in the game. The skill ceiling is extremely low, and therefore I cannot "git gud" even if I wanted to. There will always be some kid with a super waiting around the corner to destroy any speck of skill that this game has to offer." a situation like that requires a player to play more paranoid i would say in order to counter it. when it comes to flanking its all down to risk, if you do it at the right time and you choose the right path with a bit of luck as well but that's often the case even without the radar. honestly i miss crysis, titan fall, battle field(pre bf4) and cs:s im bored of destiny unless its trials as i find it to be the best challenge and the most fun i have. i loved it when horrible connections were non existent for me but this iteration of it has been 2 red bars and maybe a green bar every second game bringing horrible bottom 50% pvp groups into a tough fight when they shouldn't be ( ever kill a group of 3 30 times and still almost lose the round?). gut feeling says your a seeker, you go out and search for your prey but you are capable of playing defensive but get a touch bored while doing it. like i said though that is just a gut feeling. As you have gone on in your post to discuss the points we have failed on i thank you and apologize for any insults i have made. these forums tend to crawl with ppl who pull up kds to "invalidate" an opinion or halt a discussion and i admit certain types of discussions pull out the fire ill remember to hold my tongue better in the future.

Yeah man, you nailed it. I play as a seeker, and camping just bores and annoys me. Destiny, as you have said, bores me. I only play on the weekends, and this is just to play Trials. However, I find myself questioning if its even worth it. I have been 7-0 about five times this weekend. Either my teammate lags out, I run into Sunbreakers, or someone's little brother turns off their Xbox. It has gotten to the point where I just want to play games that I enjoy. Desitny seems to revolve around many different mechanics that frustrate me, whether it be a flawed competitive scene, or a loot system based completely on RNG. This is a tangent, but bear with me. Last week, I ran the normal raid. My only loot was a pair of gauntlets with the same light and roll that I received the week before (304 Light). Then, Sisters dropped a 304 shotgun. However, I have a 307 shotgun. Then, with moldering shards active, I received a 302 shotgun from Oryx. How this makes sense, I do not know. Moldering shards are meant to double my rewards. How is a secondary weapon from the final radi boss a DOUBLE reward. Keep in mind that my light was 306 at the time. How can I move on to the Hard Raid if I can't increase my light from the Normal Raid? Some will say that I was just unlucky. However, the raid isn't that entertaining for me to complete it week after week. That's just my two cents.

Its k i had just as bad a run with the raid before. At this point into the dlc i can understand how hard it is to find a competent group to join even harder now that so many have also been carried through to get above 310 and will not accept people without tom/spindle n above 312. It can get as bad though as getting nothing but mouldering shards all the way until oryx and then he just gives one item which is of no help anyways. Any ways lifes not worth spending entertainment time on something you dont enjoy, as much as some people would be sad to lose another challenge they could meet in the crucible.