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10/9/2015 3:41:17 AM
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Coming from a guy with 18,000+ kills with a shotgun, and shotgun being my best weapon.

This nerf was needed. Whether you want to admit it or not. That is, if you wanted balance. I love shotguns. Never go into PvP without one. Or PvE for that matter. They compliment my playstyle, up close and in the action. But. Ever since reforging was a thing, people have been using Party Crasher, Matador, or Felwinters. With shotpackage, aggressive ballistics, and rifled barrel, there was no better shotgun to use in PvP. Period. I loved my Matador. It was ridiculous, sometimes i'd catch myself saying "wow that killed him from that far away?" With the release of 2.0 however, I knew that I'd have to put down my 170 attack Matador, in order to season myself for iron banner and trials, because my old weapons would be obsolete. As far as primaries go, I'm really liking my Suros ARI-45. Secondaries? Still trying to find a good shotgun. So far the best one I have is The Next Big Thing with full auto and rifled barrel. It's range is good but it's no Felwinters, and at the time I was under the impression that with a decent shotgun, I would at least stand a chance if I had just a shred of skill. Well. Every close encounter I got into, I'd always end up getting constant hit markers and I'd get rekt with a year one party Crasher. Simply because the perks on those types of shotguns will always, [i]always[/i] be the best. Which is why shotpackage needed to be removed for the sake of balance. Maybe with this removal, shotguns will actually be more of a risk and take a bit more timing and skill, than to comfortably get kills from across the room with Felwinters. With that being said, to any shotgun user that still uses felwinters, or Matador in the crucible, it'd be best for you to try out a year two shotgun. Using the year ones will spoil you, and it'll be tough to transition over to a shotgun that doesn't have a god roll. Trust me, I know from experience. That's my take on it anyway.

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  • My felwinter's list collecting dust in the vault

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  • Bump, amazing post

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  • I'm gonna miss my old crash sniping praetorians...

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  • Been using the chaperone and love it. It's working great for me though tons of people seem to hate it.

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    • I agree, coming from Sniper User

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    • It's not shot package that's the damn problem. It's the felwinter arch type. High impact low rate of fire shotguns. My comedian is already a two shot kill and I'm using shot package.

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    • Sniper here... I ain't even mad... Nice post..;)

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    • f u c k balance shotguns a few hundred years from now should have range they kick ass the way there supposed to

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      • They have year 2 party crasher... and also iron banner comming... I'm sure the weapons will be better

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      • Reinforced > rifled You're stupid if you take higher stability than reload on a high impact shotgun

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        • Honestly the conspiracy theory you get from the story line is ALMOST as good as one of those old shotguns, I've been using it to prepare for the trials and IB myself.

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          • Noooo!!! Not the Matador!!!! That was my baby too.....

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          • BraveCole is my hero.

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            • Im with you. They were fun while they lasted, but as close quarters as almost all the maps are you could oneshot in almost any hallway. I enjoyed it but it will be nice to get a more well balanced system and see some variety between snipe shotgun and some fusion rifle action

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            • It isn't just the perks either. It's also the stats are better too. The base range, fire rate and impact were a little higher compared to the way they lay them out now.

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            • Edited by Tempest: 10/9/2015 4:19:13 PM
              I can't argue with you. I've been using shotguns all throughout year one and up into year two. I have a year two party crasher that dropped in PvP with final round, reinforced barrel, and shot package and it wrecks. I agree that it's op. With the 2.0.1 update, shotguns will be a little more balanced. I'm still going to be rocking my shotguns until this game comes to an end because my playstyle has and always will be close and personal.

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            • I remember when I used a shotgun when the popular special meta was fusion rifles, good times

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            • Edited by Novastone: 10/9/2015 4:10:11 PM
              I agree, coming from a shotgun user.

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            • Edited by Angelis101: 10/9/2015 11:46:26 AM
              After reading that I can agree to a certain extent. But those are hard earned trophies. I'm mostly a sniper, so shotguns (outside f camping and lol blink) don't really bother me. Even blink shotgun isn't that bad especially with changes. But they need to take away rangefinder too. Why take away shot package just to give us a shotgun that can do almost the same thing for free from a quest? I've actually been out ranged by it once or twice using felwintwers. Moral of the story, shotguns are mediocre at best right now and need shotlackage , range finder to compete. If not for those perks I can kill a shotgun faster with almost any precision shots up close baring a scout rifle.

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              • Fists are my best weapon

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              • I thought my 10k shotty kills were alot

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              • What we have here who has experience and likes shotguns and is non bias. He tells the truth. All I can say to shotgunners are get ready to use some skill and keep steady aim,with pulse rifles or snipers. It's gonna hit yall hard in the face. Lol

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              • I'm ok with a nerf is that all they are doing? I don't agree with taking it out of they game if your going to take shot package out of the game then they need to take rangefinder out lol just my opinion <3

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              • Bump for balance

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