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Edited by Darkling971:
10/9/2015 12:56:14 AM
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For Everyone Saying the Sleeper is Underpowered
So the community has appeared to have a fairly negative reaction to the Sleeper. I won't deny that the quest was simplistic and easy at best, but the weapon itself really shines. Lets look at some numbers:
Black Spindle, which is considered one of the best single-target damage dealers, does ~76k per shot on Golgoroth. The Sleeper does ~155k per shot. The fire rate of the Sleeper is about 2/5 that of the Spindle (excluding reload). This is the equivalent of ~69k damage per 76k damage from spindle.
What this means is that the Sleeper rivals one of the BEST SINGLE TARGET WEAPONS IN THE GAME, albiet with a single reload. However, the sleeper is a lot more versatile, as it doesn't require 3 rapid precision shots to maintain dps.
TL:DR Sleeper is a pretty damn good weapon.
Edit: For those pointing out that the Sleeper has only 7 shots, this thread is comparing dps, not total damage. Various other factors come into play at that point.
Edit: Aaand my first thread ever is trending. Damn.
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3 RepliesBecause this gun takes precision to be effective. Not like the Ghorn of old, where it was just pull the trigger and instant mad DPS. It takes AIMING which is revolutionary to half this community.
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And the spindle is 310 while sleeper is 290. Just wait until they're equal.
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2 RepliesI wouldn't say it's under powered, it's shots are just a bit to weak considering the charge rate and amount of ammunition, that could easily be fixed by allowing armour to increase the amount it can hold.
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Exactly. With the bounce and pierce, it can clear out tons of bad guys in a line, or around corners. It deals TONS of damage, especially if you crit. It even has good hip fire accuracy. It's super powerful without being overpowered. The quest was crap... But the weapon is a thing of beauty.
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It's actually the first OP weapon to be balanced, which in turn, makes it not OP. People want crutches, m9.
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Here is what I think of the gun in its current state:- Look wise it is currently the best looking gun The path to achieve it nothing to brag about. Is it the new Gally? NO.(I know they are different weapon types. I just mean usability) Overall nothing to be too excited about. It can 1 shot ultras though but I guess this gun will need some getting used to or we need situations where we would love to use this gun
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2 Replies[spoiler][b]*The salt stirs in the distance*[/b][/spoiler]
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10 RepliesThe best test in my opinion would be a crota test gally can take him down to one knee in two rockets may three now that they nerfed wolfpack rounds. If sleeper can do it in two great it's a strong weapon 3 shots still decent, anymore than that it's not that great then
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2 RepliesIf you use say, the alchemists raiment, which has carry more heavy weapon ammo you can carry 9 shots total.
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1 ReplyIf the weapon had more than 7 shots it would be great.
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The gun was just overhyped that's all. People always complain though it's normal, - Gally was "too hard" to get, - Black Spindle "too hard" - SS "too easy" I had and have all three and have no complaints on any.
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2 RepliesJust to point out something wrong with ops number he/she isn't doing the sleeper justice, for some reason the damage multiplier for golgorth is weird and its not a constant multiplier. Testing on warpriest showed way better results and death singers. Just regard the sleeper as a second sniper
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2 RepliesMy main problem with it.....ricochet rounds...they are useless in ever single way
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7 RepliesRaze lighter still does more dmg, SS, has superior range....by a [i]long shot.....[/i] Get it? Okay.....
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2 RepliesI like it, Charge rate leaves a bit to be desired. But those Crits though. Shield brothers were hard to hit in the face, but 23k on crit shot bounces and kills a peon, rather entertaining.
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Imagine lining up thrall on dark blade strike. Zap.
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You didn't count the dps for ricochet. Or dps on yourself when it ricochets back in your face lol.
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People were expecting an easy mode boss destroyer so they wouldn't have to actually try. So when it fell short of gjallarhorn in its heyday, then it must be underpowered. I'm mostly glad there is no absurd weapon anymore. But then I play undying mind and wish that gun existed a little bit.
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4 RepliesEdited by Erijian: 10/9/2015 2:19:04 AMMy Sleeper Simulant holds 9 shots. All you need is one of the new Exotic Chestpieces which allow you to carry more ammo for Heavy Weapons. The Exotics that allow you to do so are the Alchemist's Raiment, Starfire Protocol, Twilight Garrison, Traversive Steps, the Armamentarium, and the Purifier Robes. The first two are obtainable whenever, the Garrison is bugged and drops from Engrams at a low rate, and the last three aren't released yet. EDIT: I know the perk says "Increased amount of Heavy ammo drops", but it still works like the old "Carry more ammo for Heavy weapons" and even says that definition when you look at it without examining the piece of gear in full detail.
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Ran atheon for fun earlier was hitting 144k damage with the sleeper, and that was without any buffs like weapons or nights talker bow
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I was on the testing this today on the dreadnot and it was hitting for 20-23k Crits on majors at 290 and my sniper(from the gun smith the omololin one) was hitting for 8-9k a crit at 293. It one shots most solar majors.
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2 RepliesEdited by Bush league1007: 10/9/2015 3:01:21 AMImagine if you had sleeper plus a primary and secondary with cocoon. You would do so much dps.
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Except it's a heavy...
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5 RepliesSshhh it's bad. It needs to be buffed. We need 30k per body shot [spoiler]don't ruin it :p[/spoiler]
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unfortunately name me one situation where total damage is not more important than a small burst? Even against Oryx himself, a 1k yard stare outputs more damage in that small window to shoost him. Where would you use the simulant for it to actually be effective? My best guess would be as a better rocketlauncher, for long range heavying. But even then, it would be a last resort. When you're out of sniper ammo.
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They stated they didn't want a gally scenario in year 2, meaning a have to have gun. Not sure why it was assumed this would be it. Shows up in a pre release article and people over hype it.
