***I know final edit is long but it's primarily addressed to the 700 guardians who have already replied***
FINAL EDIT: The amount of salt this very non-controversial post of mine has garnered has both surprised and, ultimately, saddened me. For clarification, I simply asked a question couched in a very cautious, inquisitive, and open manner. What I received in response from the community was a level of contempt and animosity normally reserved for the very worst of "troll" posts.
Now, before you all start in with thinking that my booty is hurt, let me make it very clear, it is NOT... at least not because most of you disagree with me...
No, me being saddened by the whole thing rests solely at the feet of a realization about this community that has developed from combing through the details of the hundreds of frustrations, concerns, and excuses outlined in your replies... and that is this:
Bungie's current PvP product has simply become far too quick and twitchy for most of you. Almost every hysterical reply has included lamentations of things happening to you far too quickly and before you have a chance to counter said offense.
I'll be honest, I love Destiny PvP (Trials in particular) and dreamed about being part of a much more skilled, competitive, and, ultimately, mature (in a fps gamer sense) gaming community. The first two Halos did. Gears of War 3 did. And, Battlefield 4 currently has a very advanced player base. And let me just inform you, this community is no where near those! Not even close!
I mean, I've tried to imagine kids crying about the Pistols and Rockets in Halo being OP back in the day and just start laughing about quickly any moron like that would have been kicked out of the system link party for even thinking it. How about someone calling for the BXR combo to be patched in Halo 2? No way! You were expected to master it or GTFO! What if some half-bright asked for "wall bouncing/gnashers" in Gears of War 3 to be nerfed? 'Maybe it should have a cool down so I can collect myself before someone better than me wrecks my ass!' Not a chance! People would have looked at you like you were some kind of circus freak as the words were leaving your mouth.
IDK. I technically have no right to expect that of you all. Maybe this community was never going to be that... thus, I was naive by indulging in those hopes and desires. I appear to have been wrong in doing so.
Ehhh, I'm 36 now and those hard-d#%k bad a33es are off doing who knows what with their lives... admittedly, probably something better with their time. But, I now know they're definitely not part of this community and, as such, I'm left with you all who, unfortunately for me, have proven to be a terribly pitiful group of whiny, unskilled underachieving gamers to help carry on the legacy of the guys who made these kinds of games popular in the first place.
I'd say it would have been good for many of you to have known them, but, they would have been bored by you anyway.
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Original Post:
Is it just me or do the details of the weapon patch 2.0 make it sound like PvP is about to turn into a very boring style of play?
Here me out:
1.) Nerfing Blink - was one of the best ways to close on the enemy.
2.) Nerfing Shotguns and Fusion Rifles - effective weapon to kill with once closed on enemy.
3.) Nerfing Hand Cannons - really the only current viable primary class that's effective at remaining agile while shooting the enemy.
Seems pretty obvious that come 2.0 we'll all be taking shots at each other from a cross the map with our Snipers and Scout Rifles...
Yeah! Sounds like fun!
Edit #1: In light of the responders making incoherent claims about a current lack of weapon variety, I thought I would make a short list of weapons currently available to us... ALL of which if used by a good player will yield strong results.
Primary - Thorn, TLW, Hawk, Red Death, Bad Juju, MIDA, Messenger, Hop Scotch = 9.
Secondary - Fel Winter's, Matador, Party Crasher, Invective, Pocket Infinity, Plan C, LDR, Efrideets, Long Bow, Praedyth's, Her Benevolence = 11.
Heavy - Truth, Ghally, and the million other rocket launchers with horseshoes and grenades. Jolder's, Thunderlord, Corrective Measure.
Add in supers, melees, and grenades and I have to ask, how many f@#%ing choices do you need to be happy???!!!!!
Edit #2: You can almost be certain that if you are complaining about Blink then you are someone who does not know how to use it and must get owned by it regularly... what a scrubby defect... so easy to counter... I haven't been killed by one in probably 3 weeks.
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3 RepliesHmm i personaly disagree with Bad Juju being on that list, but thats just me. But no, i feel like Pulse rifles will become the next main weapon type, decent at most all ranges and then pair it with the range you like to play in most so either shotty or sniper. I dont think fuzion rifles will be used to much but it could happen.
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2 RepliesI think your baiting the haters by defending the blink. Everyone becomes sick of that shit eventually.
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1 ReplySeriously all the things you listed are the things wrong with crucible
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5 Replies[quote]Weapon Meta 2.0 = BORING?[/quote] We should probably try it out before reviewing.
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Funny how people would complain about weapon variety but are cool with guns being left behind... More guns, more variety
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1 ReplyThe come back of auto rifles will be interesting
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They are nerfing blink, shotguns, and hand cannons. The mets can only improve
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I'm looking forward to this weapon patch
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5 RepliesThey need to put some hit detection on blink, so you can't blink through rockets an supers. There's going to be a lot of people struggling when the patch drops. I personally can't wait for it.
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8 RepliesUm you realize all you really did was list most of the way too good guns and then cry that they are being nerfed, right? Cuz that is what you did.
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Shotgun/snipers and blink ruin the crucible, get over it. Sorry you can't do well without running round the map insta-killing people
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I can't wait for the dlc, all those things need to be fixed. You shouldn't be able to one and 2 shot people from across the map with the last word consistently I'm sorry, pvp is stale as shit the way it is currently, you said it yourself those weapons are the only viable option right now. It's a broken game when all I see in pvp is thorn, the last word, hawkmoon and red death 90% of the time. That's lame as hell and boring
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Wait till they start nerfing the new weapons lol
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Your list of primaries only consists of exotic hand cannons and pulse rifles..apart from MIDA, which I have not seen be used in a while. there needs to be more variety.
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2 RepliesI disagree with the hand cannon nerf. I think they should have just buffed auto rifles back to their former glory and maybe buff scouts a little more. It would be plenty balanced. It's hard to say though. Maybe ttk has some different weapons in it that will make it all even.
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1 ReplyThe rebalance is intended to kill both PVE and PVP.. They don't like how we play and spend more efforts on controlling this aspect versus fixing glitches.
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1 Reply*game has like 300 -blam!-ing guns* *thinks nine makes for a healthy selection* 0/10 would not read again
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14 RepliesEdited by North: 8/26/2015 3:12:48 AM[quote]Is it just me or do the details of the weapon patch 2.0 make it sound like PvP is about to turn into a very boring style of play? Here me out: 1.) Nerfing Blink - was one of the best ways to close on the enemy. 2.) Nerfing Shotguns and Fusion Rifles - effective weapon to kill with once closed on enemy. 3.) Nerfing Hand Cannons - really the only current viable primary class that's effective at remaining agile while shooting the enemy. Seems pretty obvious that come 2.0 we'll all be taking shots at each other from a cross the map with our Snipers and Scout Rifles... Yeah! Sounds like fun! Edit #1: In light of the responders making incoherent claims about a current lack of weapon variety, I thought I would make a short list of weapons currently available to us... ALL of which if used by a good player will yield strong results. Primary - Thorn, TLW, Hawk, Red Death, Bad Juju, MIDA, Messenger, Hop Scotch = 9. Secondary - Fel Winter's, Matador, Party Crasher, Invective, Pocket Infinity, Plan C, LDR, Efrideets, Long Bow, Praedyth's, Her Benevolence = 11. Heavy - Truth, Ghally, and the million other rocket launchers with horseshoes and grenades. Jolder's, Thunderlord, Corrective Measure. Add in supers, melees, and grenades and I have to ask, how many f@#%ing choices do you need to be happy???!!!!! Edit #2: You can almost be certain that if you are complaining about Blink then you are someone who does not know how to use it and must get owned by it regularly... what a scrubby defect... so easy to counter... I haven't been killed by one in probably 3 weeks.[/quote] Dude, people should have more than nine primaries, a lot more specials and a few more heavies. Edit: plus all the primaries you mentioned, not a single auto rifle.
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more then 1 Hunter........
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10 RepliesAnd 2.0 will bring more weapon variety because every one won't be using an exotic hand cannon and a shotgun.
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3 RepliesEdited by Desirable Walrus: 8/26/2015 1:49:19 AMObviously never played the beta/ game when it was first launch. It was basically how u described it, and the only complaint people had was that it was a fraction slower than cod. Also, the weapon "variety" u show is viable, but the early game had ten times those numbers. Also, they're pretty clear winners in each category.
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1 ReplyOP, I support your claims man.
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I'm thinking it's going to be A lot of fun considering it will promote team play and fun CQC action if you want a CQC streak you got to earn it.
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I love how they're nerfing grenades and horseshoes !
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I prefer Focus Burst over Blink.
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