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Edited by CrazyPerfection:
8/17/2015 9:17:09 PM
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Thunder may be better than gjallarhorn!
So after getting tired of resorting to using Gjallarhorn for literally every boss fight in the game i wanted to find a better alternative, or at least something that came somewhat close. The first weapon that come to my mind was the Thunderlord. I didn't think it would be better than the Gjallarhorn, but i thought it would be a close contender. After further investigation over the max damage each weapon could do with full heavy (7 rockets in Ghorn and 181 shots in thunderlord) it looks like the thunder lord will be doing quite more than the beloved Gjallarhorn. Here is the math. (correct me if i'm wrong my numbers may be off.) (all numbers were recorded from the boss Taniks, im not sure if damage varies from boss to boss, but if it does numbers should still be similar.)
Gjallarhorn - 7 rockets
Base rocket damage - 3148
total damage of all wolfpack rounds combined(12 wolfpack)- 3504
total damage of one rocket (including wolfpack) - 6652
total damage of one clip (2 rockets) - 13304
total damage of a max heavy Gjallarhorn (7 rockets) - 46564
Thunderlord - 181 shots
damage per bullet - 365
total damage of one clip(field scout) - 21900
total damage of a max heavy Thunderlord (181 bullets) - 66065
So now we know that a max heavy Thunderlord does more damage than the gjallarhorn, but what about dps?
Gjallarhorn - time per clip including reload 4 seconds ( 2 rockets per 4 seconds)
number of clips (4)
in a little bit more than 15 seconds the Gjallarhorn can dish out 46564 damage
Thunderlord - time per clip including reload 10 seconds (field scout + lightning rounds) 10 seconds ( 60 bullets per 10 seconds)
number of clips (round to 3)
in a little bit more than 30 seconds the Thunderlord can dish out 66065 damage.
So yes the Gjallarhorn has a higher dps than the Thunderlord, BUT i need to further investigate the Gjallarhorn vs. Thunderlord to calculate boss kill times (using full heavy then switch to same primary.) I will also calculate synthesis usage and see if 2 full heavy of ghorn can take down a boss(if it cant i feel thunder lord will be better.) But like i said before i will have to calculate the time it takes to kill a boss using all heavy then switching to an alternative and see wether the Thunderlord or Gjallarhorn takes down bosses faster. As of right now i can still not tell witch will be the better choice.
Please bump so others can join us on our voyage to find the superior heavy! :)
[b]EDIT:[/b] I went and tested this on various Dragon strikes and came to find getting precision shots consistently with the thunder actually isn't a problem AT ALL. Now yes not all of my shots were crits, but atleast 95% of them were.
[b]EDIT:[/b] go to my Xbox live account and watch my recent clip of you want to see 95% crit accuracy. Wasn't the best clip, but I'm busy maxing SGA so I don't have the time
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3 RepliesYour calculations assume that you actually hit every shot with thunderlord, and on top of that I'm pretty sure you're counting only headshots as well. Gjallahorn on the other hand is almost guaranteed to hit its target when fighting a bullet sponge boss. Thunderlord is garbage, and anyone that says otherwise is either trolling or clueless.
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1 ReplyThis is a really interesting topic, however unfortunately it will never play out the way you think, even on a boss that doesn't move much. In order for your theory to work you would have to successfully land 181 crits, which is borderline TASbot material. Taking your original idea into consideration, I have information for you though guardian. If an enemy where to take the full impact of a dragons breath rocket followed by the entirety of the solar grenade and it's burning effect, it would out damage Gally by a mile, but due to game mechanics this just doesn't happen. Gjallarhorn was designed to be the top tier pve weapon in terms of damage and it typically stays there. Even with sleeper stimulant coming, Gally may still out damage it. All we know of that weapon is that it's a heavy rail gun that can crit, but it's gimmick is that it's shots ricochet. My theory is that this weapon will have a ridiculously low velocity meaning the projectile is going to take forever to actually hit its target and it will pick up momentum and cause more damage the more it bounces. Just a theory, but I feel like it's a good one.
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2 RepliesEdited by Wolf Dog 359: 8/17/2015 12:12:13 PMYou spent far too much time researching this. In essence you wasted your time. A rocket chucks out its damage in one blast, a Machine Gun does it over time. It is like comparing burst damage to Damage Over Time. If you want your results to matter, you go for the quickest kill. The Rocket. It really does not matter who beat who in overall damage, it is how quickly you can dish it out. Nice posting though, you have definitely put some thought in to it.
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4 RepliesTry to hop out of cover firing a whole belt on thunderlord and not getting blasted, now try the same with ghorn , works better huh?
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1 ReplyYea people have tested that and your right. The problem is that you can't just fire off the whole clip within 2 seconds.
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1 ReplyWith thunderlord you also have to take into account that not every shot will be a critical hit due to the weapon recoil so there will be a few shots in there that will be a miss.
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This thread has generated almost as much hostility as all the gally threads. My question is this - before you did these calculations, did you EARN your Thunderlord? Because if you bought your Gally and earned your Thunderlord, your facts may be skewed somewhat. For crying out loud, compare apples to apples, man. I earned my thunderlord, but bought my Gally from Xur. Maybe that's why my Gally isn't quite up to snuff.
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3 RepliesEdited by jmbgator: 8/17/2015 12:33:24 PMI think that situationally they are completely different weapons and hard to compare them side by side. Gally is designed to deal as much damage to a single target/boss/ultra as possible. It is designed for those final boss fights. I tend to use Thunderlord on the other hand, in situations where there are a bunch of yellow bar major enemies around me. It will wreck havoc on them and destroy any yellow bar major in sight. Example: I'll probably have thunderlord equipped in POE rounds 1-4 when there are a ton of yellow bars. But then round 5 boss fight I'll switch to Gally.
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Thunder lord one shots pretty much any red enemy except ogres or solar/void shielded enemies
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6 Repliesi challenge you to fire full speed at taniks and hit more than 3 crits in a row with thunderlord..
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I think it's a situational weapon. On a Phogoth arc burn from the shrieker room the TL is a wrecking machine, especially if 2 or 3 of you have it. Same goes for Taniks & to a lesser degree Omnigul.
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Necrobump
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Your doing the lords work.
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Edited by Zoop: 8/17/2015 11:42:35 AMLots of stats and comparing, i bet there are lots of weapons with more total damage than thunderlord or ghorn, thats because it means shit. Dps is what makes ghorn superior, and that you only need to be in line of sight for a moment. With machine guns, you need constant line of sight. This is one of the most fcked up comparison you could make, it proves nothing. Thunderlord is in no way a suitable replacements for ghorn. Any legendary rocket might, machine guns are an entire different caregory
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Gjallarhorn for DPS, that's not even counting accuracy
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What's a clip?
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Retard level off the charts
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3 RepliesIf you use MGs in pve ur retarded
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If you use field scout good luck landing those shots lol
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1 ReplyYou are forgeting that fact the a machine gun those that amount of DMG after spraying for a period of time.... Not to mention you forgot that those hit were more then likely precision shot...you would have to stay on the target's weak spot with out missing a beat to achieve that DMG. On the other hand a launcher dose an amount of DMG in a single shot regardless of precision. Enough time to hit the target take cover and fire again. The time it would take you to use that machine gun you would already killing the boss with launcher
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2 RepliesDid you measure Thunderlord on precision hits or body shots. I have it and by the time you reach the max fire rate, it's pretty much immpossible to hit consistent head shots
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1 ReplyWas it arc burn on taniks?
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2 RepliesI have both and I must say, Gjallarhorn is probably a bit better at melting bosses but Thunderlord is so much more fun to use. And just fyi - The true boss melter in PvE is Black Hammer.
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I rather like truth
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2 RepliesOn paper yes. In the field, not really.
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Yeah, but you have to get every Thunderlord bullet to hit, which is pretty difficult when it starts kicking like a horse. With Gally, you have to try to miss.
