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Edited by Spyro:
8/13/2015 3:27:17 AM
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You Killed Crota During The Story, Not The Raid
I've seen many posts explaining how The Taken King won't make sense if you haven't done the Crota's End Raid. So I'm going to explain how you killed him during the story, not the raid.
There are two Crotas, his spiritual embodiment that connects him to reality, his senses, and existence and his physical embodiment that holds his soul into a physical and tangible form.
But when the wizards were trying to awaken Crota from his realm that exists out of space and time (like the Black Garden), you interfered during the summoning and destroyed the crystal while his soul was still in it, thus trapping him in his realm for the rest of his natural life.
So technically you killed Crota by destroying his soul, but since his physical form is in a realm outside of space and time, his physical embodiment survived, thus disconnecting the two.
Even though the raid is called Crota's End, you are just literally ending Crota. Crota is dead...sorta, but he doesn't exists within our reality since his physical form is trapped in another reality and he can't cross over to our reality. He is dead in our reality. You are just doing the raid to end his existence in his reality.
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Good point but there's a hole in your story [spoiler]you killed his son.... With his own sword[/spoiler]
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Yo Anonpig get in here and explain to this person what's what.
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WRONG [i]~TehMindBlaster [/i]
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1 ReplyEdited by H1312play4445: 8/13/2015 1:44:13 PMNo, in the story mode we stopped "The Wakers" from summoning Crota's soul from his world back into ours. In the raid we enter his world and finish him. The grimoire tells us this: [spoiler][b]THE WAKENING GRIMOIRE[/b] [quote]“Thanks to you the Wakers of Crota failed to summon their master here; my efforts to warn you were not in vain. “But beyond the threshold at the pit of the Hellmouth, Crota still lives. And his disciples will continue to haunt the Earth, seeking the power to raise him again, and again, until Earth is carved in his name. But—there is a way, spoken by the shattered one, to enter the dark where he sleeps. “Perhaps you can succeed where we could not. Gather a force worthy of the Light and enter that abyss, only there can we truly see to Crota's end.” - Eris Morn[/quote] [/spoiler]
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You are making it more complicated than it really is.
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You're wrong. Man up and do the raid. Git gud scroob. [spoiler]muted for being an idiot[/spoiler]
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2 RepliesI think about it this way, it's kinda like voldemort in Harry Potter. He uses horcruxes to store pieces of his soul, keeping him tethered to the world. With Crota, he is invisible with his soul intact, thus when we destroy the soul we make him "mortal" and grants the ability to kill him. However, had the Wizards finished their ritual with his soul (I'm assuming) that he would've had his body and soul recombined, making him invincible to almost any attack.
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That was crotas' soul or something not actually him
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Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galactica.
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1 Reply[url=http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thebiogateroleplay/images/e/e0/Yami_marik_shadowrealm.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120420020138]Somebody said Shadow Realm?..[/url]
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That is a good reason.
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Wrong wrong Eris says his soul has been banished but doesnt say he has been killed until u finish the raid
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You have to have the dark below and house of wolves to play the Taken king. So you probably played the raid.
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2 RepliesEdited by Lestat Phoenix: 8/13/2015 11:48:13 AMWhat is reality? "What is real" ? How do you define "real"?" "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill -- the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill -- you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes."
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Edited by Corran1138: 8/13/2015 12:35:18 PMPersonally, I think you have that backwards. Destiny makes a big deal about souls. Crota's physical form was destroyed by Guardians in a battle on the Moon.During that battle thousands of Guardians died before we could kill Crota's physical body. And when I say died, its the 'they aren't coming back' kind of dead, not the wait 30 seconds style dead. Once Crota's physical form was killed, his soul no longer had a body and retreated to Crota's hell-dimension to regenerate. The Hive went about cracking the Moon and establishing their infestation and gathering the components needed to restore Crota to a physical body. The crystal was the physical component needed to let Crota come back to the this world. Once it was destroyed, Crota had no method for getting out of his dimension. The Raid, brings us into his hell-dimension and lets us confront him. With no lieutenants left in our world, Crota's back is against the wall (literally). And the final sword kills his soul. That's Crota's final end and leads to the 'you killed him with his own sword' statement. Oryx wouldn't give two poops about the loss of physical form because his Son could be brought back with the appropriate rituals. But the destruction of his soul in the Raid cannot be undone. Personally, I think Bungie missed out on making an interesting aspect of character development for Eris Morn with the Raid. After the crystal's destruction, she tells you to end Crota, but I think Crota should have kidnapped her and have Ir Yut use Eris in her summoning of the Deathsong. The reason for Eris' existence is actually because the Hive USED her to foment her hatred. That hate was the seed Crota would need to reestablish his physical form in our dimension and Eris' hate would give birth to it. It would give purpose to the Raid and explain the mechanics better than just going in to kill Crota. It also allows Eris to realize that hatred of the Hive doesn't get her anywhere in fighting them. She needs to let go and reembrace the Light.
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2 RepliesNah man, you kinda kill him in the Raid(With his own Sword), in the story you just prevent him from crossing over to our dimension I agree it should be a pre-req but I also understand why its not If people still need help killing him tho, add me on PS4 (same name as forums), I can solo Crota on Norm and get to Deathsinger on Hard, so not to big of a deal anymore
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As long as the entity that we fought in ce exists (his soul, his real bodyn his spirit body, whatever you want to call it), there would still be the possibility that crota could be summoned The dark below basically cut off every possible route he could have used to be summoned to our world (the crystal that was being used in the awakening and omnigul, who could have found other ways) Killing Crota in CE just kills him entirely for good
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4 RepliesI need better weed
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But his sword pouncing on my head felt real.....i'm confused.
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3 RepliesSo you're telling me that by doing the raid Crota's End, that was all for nothing because he was already dead
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We trapped his soul in his dimension during the story mission. This was to prevent him from materializing on our plane of existence because he would have been much more powerful if he had done that. During the raid, we travel to that otherworldly dimension that he is trapped in, and we kill him with his own sword (well not literally his own sword, I guess. But a hive sword at least). Crota was trapped before the raid, after you complete the raid you have officially killed him.
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Edited by Coyote_x_Starrk: 8/13/2015 12:06:42 PMPeople need to stop pretending that the story... A) Matters at all at this point B) Existed in the first place beyond vague as hell cut-scenes and cards that aren't even IN THE DAMN GAME And then even IF there was some kind of decent story (There isn't) and even IF that story had any bearing on the direction of the series at this point (It doesn't) there is no way in hell that it even makes any SENSE at this point. Everyone just take a step take a step back. Take a breath. Stop acting like there is a storyline Stop trying to make sense of it And just mindlessly shoot shit in the face over and over again until you see it in your sleep
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During the interview about killing Crota they mentioned lag switching. This was only referring to the raid, so therefore we killed Crota during the raid, not the story.
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4 RepliesEdited by Penhalion Wolfe: 8/13/2015 11:05:20 AMNo..you killed him with his own sword. The only way you did that was to go to his pocket dimension in the raid. Live with it! The story assumes you did the raid, much like many game stories with multiple endings will assume you chose the ending that spawned the sequel i.e. The Jedi Knight series. In the Waking mission you stop him being summoned back from his dimension into a physical form in our universe. You do not kill him at all! Eris is pretty bloody clear on that!
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4 RepliesThen why did we have to go in his make believe land and kill him? If he couldn't leave it to come back to real life.
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His physical form is just a husk. His real form is what we see in his realm. So technically we didn't kill crota when we destroyed the crystal
