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Edited by ConcreteHawk:
7/9/2015 8:13:07 PM
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What do you think of Thorn?
I'm curious to know what you guys think of Thorn in PvP. Is it overpowered? Or is it fine how it is?
I would like this to be a respectful discussion, so please stick to discussing and not attacking and degrading others, thanks
I'll start it off. I think Thorn needs a revisit. I was thinking about the other Exotic hand cannons. The Last Word is a two hit headshot if you are in hip fire, and then the gun is a short ranged weapon. The Hawkmoon is a two hit thanks to it's perks, but that does not guarantee a two hit kill every time. Thorn does not have a range problem, and is always a two hit kill, you don't have the uncertainty Hawkmoon has. It's much much better than the other Exotic hand cannons! (That does not mean that the other hand cannons are bad, or that they are not fun to use) Another point is that many many people use Thorn in Trials and IB, and for good reason. This gun is very powerful.
Your thoughts? I'd love to hear them.
Your rebuke? I'd love to hear it.
I apologize to the regulars on this forum who have seen posts like this many times. I'm not a regular, so I didn't know there were hundreds of the same discussion
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1 ReplyI usually could care less about seeing thorn in crucible, but I did run into an entire team using it in iron banner once. I'm pretty sure my screen was always flashing green. It just about gave me a seizure.
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It's almost as noob as the shotguns!
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1 Reply[quote]I'm curious to know what you guys think of Thorn in PvP. Is it overpowered? Or is it fine how it is? I would like this to be a respectful discussion, so please stick to discussing and not attacking and degrading others, thanks I'll start it off. I think Thorn needs a revisit. I was thinking about the other Exotic hand cannons. The Last Word is a two hit headshot if you are in hip fire, and then the gun is a short ranged weapon. The Hawkmoon is a two hit thanks to it's perks, but that does not guarantee a two hit kill every time. Thorn does not have a range problem, and is always a two hit kill, you don't have the uncertainty Hawkmoon has. It's much much better than the other Exotic hand cannons! (That does not mean that the other hand cannons are bad, or that they are not fun to use) Another point is that many many people use Thorn in Trials and IB, and for good reason. This gun is very powerful. Your thoughts? I'd love to hear them. Your rebuke? I'd love to hear it. I apologize to the regulars on this forum who have seen posts like this many times. I'm not a regular, so I didn't know there were hundreds of the same discussion[/quote] Thorn is awesome, stop merging guns for these noobs bungie!!!
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1 ReplyAll exo hcs are not balanced and must be nerfed someway. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/120602575/0/0/1 - good thread about exo hcs.
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You look beautiful today
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13 RepliesNo more nerfs!!!! Why do all of you want to cut the balls off of exotics? Look at what they did to the suros and all autos for that matter ! The vex ?? What we need is a buff to the nerfed weapons, that will even things out!
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It's pretty good.
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2 RepliesIt's stupidly op and ruining the crucible
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is a piece of shit that needs a nerf
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I think thorn is overpowered, not tooooooo overpowered, a little bit. I think the TTK on it and tlw are a little ridiculous. I should be able to go toe to toe with it at mid range with a suros or hard light. I'm not great at pvp but when I use thorn or tlw my numbers jump up pretty high, and when I use an auto it's noticeably and consistently lower kd. It's a delicate fix though, everyone acts like this is easy stuff to fix. Balancing this many weapons is tough just on paper, and programming it is a whole other task. I'm trying to be patient and be ready for a patch.
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Op but I'll use it because there's not point in purposefully putting myself at a clear disadvantage
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Fun for PvE, not so fun for PvP
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Kill it with fire
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1 Replyi hate it. i dont like being tracked behind walls. i dont like my shields slowly draining while my opponents' recovers. i dont like my screen gettin all green and corrupted like some shiet off goosebumps. i hate thorn, and its users can go to hell and have shoot outs with the Devil.
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1 ReplyOverpowered. No gun should be able to kill after the user dies.
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6 RepliesBalanced weapon, too low magazine and useless perk, I will buff it a little bit, more ammo and RoF.
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1 ReplyThis sounds weird but I am better at TLW than I at thorn. I just tend to kill more with TLW. Also, I don't mind going against thorn users as for some reason I don't bump into them often outside of trials. I don't know if I am just lucky or what but that's it. Thorn as a weapon...if I HAD to nerf it I would just give it less range, keeping everything the same. Changing anything else would either completely kill the weapon or change the idea of it as a whole. Both of those I think is a bad thing. However, at the end of the day, I love mowing down people with TLW and putting bullets in the occasional thorn users head with my sniper.
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1 ReplyI don't get why thorn burn can kill you. But incendiary knives can't
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2 RepliesVery fun to use
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Fun to use not fun to have it used against you
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1 ReplyBase Stats for Thorn(Left) and TLW(Right): RoF: 32:32 Impact: 68:68 Range: 38:14 Stability: 31:31 Reload: 43:56 TLW's Perks give it better stability with perfect balance, slightly higher fire rate from the full auto, and increased hip fire damage/accuracy. Thorn's Perks give it more range(more than some snipers)and accuracy with Send it which bumps it's aim assist up to 70(very high), plus it's exotic perk that allows for two shot kills. I'd say thorn could use a nerf of some sort, some possibilities are to reduce its range, RoF or aim assist. TLW definitely needs its bug fixed and perhaps a small damage reduction as well.
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6 RepliesI think all the Exotic Hand cannons need to be looked at, some more than others *cough* thorn, tlw *cough* huh, what was that? Thorn need a nerf in Range, as does Hawkmoon, TLW needs a range nerf so that outside of like slightly out of Warlock's Melee Range it does almost no damage at all. And they need to fix the perk, it has been glitched for too long. As for Thorn, I have no -blam!-ing idea how to balance it, I really just want it to be the worst gun in the game out of spite.
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1 ReplyIt's over hyped. But that always happens in shooters. There's that one gun and a few people starting doing good with it, then streamers and youtubers use it then everyone else just jumps on the bandwagon. What caused this were 2 things, the AR nerf and the HC nerf. Before this more people used ARs because they handle easier and other HCs were used because you could get working ranged rolls. I've yet to see a HC that will consistently outdo a scout at true range. Crucible doesn't really have long distance save about 3 maps and those areas are away from capture points. Before the nerf HC went right up to where the low range scouts started. This is how it should be. No gaps in effective range. If anything there should be a small degree of overlap for preference. When you see a large trend towards a certain weapon type, check the maps first. CQC weapons are used on CQC maps. Determine the reason for the trend rather than just destroy the trend. Personally I think they should either scrap most current maps in rotation or put them in a CQC playlist then repopulate it with more range balanced maps. Or at least a good mix of long short and mid. Yes I know some maps have "hallways" but that just doesn't cut it for good map design. A map should have enough possible shooting positions do that encounters almost never repeat, and supporting cover to counter different vantage point areas while creating vulnerabilities from other angles. Neither perfect shooting positions nor perfect cover.
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1 ReplyVery cool looking
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5 RepliesThorn I think will always be a on going discussion. I believe yes it is powerful, but so are other weapons. The lingering perk is annoying at times but it is also unique. I think that if you have thorn, use it. If someone wants to call you out for using a weapon in the game that is there to be used, let them. More power to the owners of thorn for obtaining it. A possible weapon balance is possible but not needed in my opinion.
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2 RepliesMy timurs lash kills in 2 headshots every time, with more range, and more stability......
