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Edited by Srlqulongtard:
6/14/2015 4:17:58 PM
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Make Hunters More Useful in PvE
I personally play as a warlock as my main but I cry just a little every time I see a hunter in my fireteam for raids or Prison of Elders. The main Issue I see with them is that they are inherently selfish subclasses. They can't create as many orbs, Bladedancers especially, as any other subclass and while they can domminate the crucible, invisibility is the only usefulness the can provide in endgame activities.
To make bladedancers wanted outside of diffusing mines they should create the proper amount of orbs per kill (They make about half as many orbs per kill as every other super) and make them immune to non-guardian melee damage while in bladedancer form so that they don't have to worry about dying easily to melee oriented enemies such as Bladedancer captains and vandals (the ones with swords and occasionally go invisible), Minotaurs, melee Knights, and the Cabal in General.
Gunslingers should be able to do precision damage with the golden gun to better take down Majors without emptying an entire super on 1. An exotic specifically designed for killing trash mobs would be nice. Make a terrestrial day bird (Opposite of celestial nighthawk) that has decreased damage per shot but many more shots.
Please excuse any mispellings, it's reset day which means this is just a really long Monday for me.
EDIT: After testing some testing with my gunslinger, I found that the golden gun does have a crit multiplier so my only real hunter related issue is the lack of usefulness of the bladedancer super in pve. I realize that Invisibility is great in the right circumstances but the super itself puts the player in way to much danger and doesn't spawn enough orbs.
EDIT 2: My issue is with the BLADEDANCER super. I realize nighthawk is a thing but because most hunters run bladedancer, I never get to see it. I'm not saying that hunters are bad/useless but the the bladedancer super is weak in terms of killing enemies in endgame content and spawning orbs. I realize that invisibility is a thing, but its not needed if everybody always has their super.
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Do it
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I wouldn't mind if Arcblade did more damage in PVE.
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5 RepliesYour first 9 words render your opinion void to a hunter main [b][i][u]we[/u][/i][/b] are perfectly fine, you need to either learn how to play a hunter or no complain
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9 RepliesBladedancer Super is OP, no idea what you are on about! Here's some examples from PoE and Raids. Going for that furthest mine? Pop Super and cross the map in half the time of any other player. Both players are down? Pop Super and revive teammates. Crota in 1 Sword pre HoW? Pop Super for the first down, blink second down then crouch for the third. Kill the Target? Pop Super run right next to the enemy with a shotty out! (Yes, you have to wait till the end of the super) You can also EASILY beat Skolas w/o a Titan Bubble but getting to the mines without a Hunter is no bueno.
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Honestly i rarely need orbs in PoE. My titan has helm of saint -14 and has 3/4s super by himself by the time his bubble goes down. I run 35 poe with either 2x titan 1x hunter or 2x hunter 1x titan. Ran my warlock the first week as he is my main but honestly. A self res for when everyone wipes is useless if your team is decent. You just dont wipe. And in situations you do wipe it is over anyway. Example target gets to objective. Mines blow up or you have failed to burn skolas under a minute. Orb generation, yeah maybe for crota hard and self res at the bridge. Other than that though I am not even being biased. Hunters and titans are way more useful in PoE. And again if reviving team mates is your argument. A good hunter can just super and invis if things get messy, hide until revive timers are up and revive then. A titan can bubble and chill in there, pop in and out killing adds, reviving when its clear. In all fairness. What does a warlock bring into the current unnerffed skolas fight? All he can do is die with the taint, revive, giving the team another 40 seconds. A warlock has to die to be useful in PoE. Both other classes are better equipped. I dont dislike warlocks, they are my favourite class and my main. But if you die rarely, and can avoid taking damage until you can revive team mates. Then you are better off without one.
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2 RepliesWell your first problem is the fact you NEED ords. I've gone through every level of arena this week 3 times over and only used a super because I had it. It was never needed. Also lvl 34 and below wjth celestial Nighthawk you can 1 shot the important targets with golden gun. I've also been able to shoot through two armored Minotaur. Those easily make 4+ ords and if you have 100% intellect armour you get your super pretty fast. Though Hunters are most useful because crouching to cloak isn't an ability, so trickle doesn't affect it feom what I've seen. Your most likely just playing the class wrong.
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Edited by Potato King: 6/12/2015 6:13:28 AMGolden Gun, with explosion, crowd control at its finest
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Invisibility is good
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10 RepliesActually, a hunter is more useful then a warlock in PoE from what I've seen. Sure they can revive, but for objectives it's kinda pointless. Hunters are needed more in my opinion. The good thing though is that warlocks have the ram and the purifier robes in PvP so that makes up for the lack of goodness in PoE
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2 RepliesHere's how i feel about the hunters are useless in pve argument: The only time a hunter, titan, or warlock is useless is when the player controlling them is useless.
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4 RepliesHunters are one of the most useful classes for PoE especially for mines
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1 ReplyLoL@Hunters being useless in PoE. You're doing it wrong, clearly.
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I agree.
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Hunters are pretty useful in PvE. They are the easiest to dodge shots with, they can go invis and revive people as well as avoid enemies. I do think gun slinger should do more damage per shot though in PvE. It can barely take out a major or ultra but foh and nova bomb can do it easily. Blade dancing is also pretty useless in PvE I think. I rarely use it, its too risky and even if you have the perk that heals you after each kill, your super drains too fast. Overall though I think hunters are fine and I main that class. I definitely have the most fun with it.
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1 ReplyI have a hunter and a warlock and it think that they're both good in pve in their own ways. Blade dancer+invis is a medic and gunslinger with combustion can clear out a ton of enemies
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1 ReplyDon't change my hunter, #huntermasterace
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1 ReplyBlade dancer is beast in PoE and raids for clearing objectives and easily the best "medic". That invis is way more valuable than you realize.
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4 RepliesGolden Gun generates some of the most orbs. I'd say Titans generate the least.
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1 ReplyI think it's stupid how BD is the hardest to get multiple yellow bar kills with yet generates the least amount of orbs
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3 RepliesEdited by kampfer422: 6/3/2015 5:13:46 PMWell I've seen it all on this thread for hunter vs warlock. Honestly if you say either one is useful than you're probably a noon or just play one style and that's it. I prefer a warlock because I like playing zonal control and area damage on multiple enemies. I prefer to kill at a mid to long range distance and will maneuver to take out groups of enemies with tracking grenades and explosive damage. Usually in a fire team and with my group I am one of the heavy hitters in my group that supports the others by covering them. My first character class though was a hunter and I love playing as a hunter. I am more calculating about how I play and use my speed to close down distance quickly. I pepper enemies with a long range gun and close the distance quick to finish them off. I dont go looking for large groups of enemies but usually single them out. Stealth and invis are awesome for when we play harder raids and PoE as I usually let the titan and warlock do the big damage while I take care of the small guys , critical objectives and revive while invisible. Lamos and crota if youre sword bearer are easiest with a hunter but bridge area and then the shooters to bring down crota are easiest as warlock. Play the style you want to play, no one character is better than the other, its there are better players for each character who can play to the characters strengths. Come play with me and I'll probably change my character based on what we're doing and what character you are just so we have a balanced team. Only thing I wish they'd change for hunters is armor is so poor and yes bladedancer should have stronger shields or increased invincible frames while activating bladedancer
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1 ReplyDon't touch my hunter class, I'll show you how useful my throwing knife is on you...
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9 RepliesThe only people who feel like hunters are useless in pve are people who don't understand how to use them.
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6 RepliesI'm sorry your just fine with invis. Meanwhile us warlocks self Rez and die instantly because our team couldn't pull their weight for 30 seconds for revive. But you? If I die you use invis till revive, much better. Honestly a perfect team really just is titan, lock, and hunter, they all complement each other
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Terrestrial day bird. That was the best thing I've seen in a while. Anyway, I agree with you.
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1 ReplyI hear what your saying, those things would be nice. I do have a gripe about orb creation. My proposed solution is take away the "circle of life" perk in the skill tree and put in something that gives precision kills with the knife to produce 1 orb. And for blade dancer to produce a orb whenever you kill a enemy while invisible But really i don't have any problem when it comes to my hunter. In end game activities i run invis, and i have no issue with using the blade dancers specials. Its just about knowing when to use it. No need to be scared. Lol.
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Ever had a hunter running sword in crota.
