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Edited by Phobos113:
7/1/2019 4:54:49 PM
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Linear Fusions don't belong in the heavy slot...
They belong in the "special" or "energy" slot using special ammo with the only exception to that rule being Sleeper Simulant. As it is practically nobody uses linear fusion rifles and it's because they are not powerful enough to warrant taking up the heavy slot. Linear fusion rifles are no more powerful than sniper rifles and weapons like Arbalest prove that to be the case.
Linear fusion rifles deserve to be moved to the special slot.
EDIT: To add on to this, I would say either move linear fusions to the special slot (with a few exceptions) or buff the damage output to bring them in line with other heavy weapons, OR split them up into either "heavy linear fusion rifles" or "light linear fusion rifles" with the light linear fusion rifles having access to faster (or current) charge times but lower damage output (relying mostly on precision damage for best results) and heavy linear fusion rifles having access to slower charge times but much higher damage output that can one hit kill in PvP. On another note, snipers like Whisper should be able to body shot kill in PvP if they are going to be in the heavy slot, while D.A.R.C.I. should be in the special slot because the impact makes it feel like it belongs there (though I think DPS is why it's in the heavy slot currently.. which isn't really a good enough reason in my opinion), and Queen Breakers Bow should either be moved to the special slot or given one hit kill damage in PvP. Arbalest should stay where it is. Those are my thoughts anyway.
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1 ReplyThey absolutely do belong in the heavy slot.
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The main problem I have with the special slot solution is that it is already crowded with other weapon types. We can only hold ten weapons in a slot, and there are already 11 weapon types that can go in the slot.
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Edited by SkellRino: 7/3/2019 12:15:01 PMYou're right. Let us make them all in that secret fourth slot that does not exist yet.
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Perhaps give Arbalest a distinctive buff/perk from the other LF. Right now Arbalest’s main feature is it’s in the Kinetic slot.
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4 RepliesI agree that the Legendary Linear Fusions are to weak. But just simply making them a special weapon wouldn’t be ok. Make them unable to OHK a Guardian and I’d say great. Or remove half of the current aim assistance. The only reason to use a linear fusion over a sniper is the no-zoom scope, the aim assistance that is through the roof and the fact that flinch is barely even a thing with Linears. Sleeper Simulant had its reserves nerfed to make using a legendary more useful do to the significant difference in reserves. This change was terrible and their solution was to make body shots significantly more forgiving. All Linear fusions need buffed across the board if they are to remain heavy weapons. I love the idea of making legendary Linear Fusions take special ammo and go in the secondary slot, but no one would ever consider using a sniper rifle again.
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To the people arguing about linear fusions in the special slot, I just have a few things to say. First, I think there's no real way to make linear fusions good as heavies. There's far too much to contend with right now and even a straight buff in damage wouldn't be enough to make them relevant. Heavies do ad clear really well, rockets deal high damage in a radius, and grenade launchers just do a bit of everything (but don't particularly excel as well as the rest in their own respective fields). It's why even sleeper has fallen off, because damage is something that's so easily doable with a variety of weapons right now, so the ranged damage linear fusions bring is worthless. Second, there are conflicting feelings with how snipers will perform once linear fusions are in that slot, and I have to say I have no real solution. There will always be times where one will be better than the other, but they are so close that you pretty much can't balance around it. They both have the same range, same relative damage, but linear fusions have better scopes for pve because it's not a zoom scope. It's hard to say how this would pan out, but at least with arbalest they have a foundation to work with. Third, I feel like something like queen breaker would be a huge problem for crucible as it's so ridiculous just for simply hitting a target with its blind, so if weapons were to move,I'd say keep that one as a heavy but let it get more rounds to compensate (and higher damage). I think reducing the aim assist on linear fusions to around 50 and below would be ideal as well as to prevent too much issue in PvP. Maybe add some more definite fall off at long range so that snipers are still the better long range weapon.
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1 ReplySwords also belong in the special slot, There are so many other true heavy exotics that will deal far more damage than a sword ever could. Swords also kind of suck as they are so moving them to the special slot would be a lot better. Only sword that should stay on the heavy is the black talon for obvious reasons
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1 ReplyDestiny is a complicated game, as any other game that deals with shit tons of loot. Not every weapon will have it's place in a perfect balanced scenario ALL the time. It's just not feasible. Because they fire in a different way. If a hand canon has the same TTK as an auto rifle, any player with "minimal" skill and a hand canon always wins. You have to buff something above everything else to make it useful, or nerf everything around something. That's the Cycle of Destiny. Since D1, devs confirmed this is a game of seasons or cycles for weapons. There is absolutelly no way every single one of them is balanced and have a place. Look right now, how would you make LFR balanced? For sure you have to reduce the effectiveness of GL, otherwise, for a LFR to be as effective or more effective, would mean, the Single target dmg would need to be grotesque, basically 1 crit shotting anything that is not dmg phased. Give it some time, they will bring it back at some point, just like AR, Scount rifles, etc, etc.
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Personally I think that linear fusions should get a massive damage buff, and a massive ammo reserves nerf. Effectively making them the best burst DPS weapons in game. They are TERRIBLE for add control, so why not make them good for boss melting.
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Arbalest is the reason this wouldnt work, the guns has so much aim assist its unreal.
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3 RepliesLinear fusion rifle should be change to energy. But they're should also be a heavy linear instead.
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Arbelest the ammo should be switched to primary not special
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1 ReplyI don't think they have a place in the energy slot. What I think would help then is if the headshot multiplier was reduced. Keep them at the same crit damage now, but make a body shot do way more damage than they do now. They just don't seem to pack any punch at all when you miss your crit, and they should do more there as a heavy. It would also separate them from snipers more.
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2 RepliesShould just buff the impact for linear fusion rifles. It's funny that some regular fusion rifles can one-hit kill something but Linear Fusion Rifles cannot.
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2 RepliesI like the idea about linear fusions in the special slot, but I think what needs to happen more so instead is a much needed increase to both critical and body shot damage. As they are now, their critical and body shot damage is too weak. The only viable linear fusions are with boxed breathing and high impact reserves and even then other heavies do the job better. Grenade launchers and rocket launchers don't even need crits to do high damage. Lmgs have taken a hard hit though. 25% damage decrease was just bs. Even before the nerf, they weren't at the top for dps. They were good enough to use but not the best option. A reserve increase and more damage would be great. Out of all heavies, I'd rather dps with LFRs.
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Edited by Lich: 7/2/2019 6:40:42 AMThey can’t ohk. Unless it’s a head shot. Speaking of aim assist it’s an issue apparently while they now have the smallest hit box at further ranges. Yet all linear fusion sit at 61 aim assist. But it’s okay for fate cries foul to have 60 aim assist, beloved 68 and twilight oath 70 aim assist. While they can all fire faster then linears yet both can’t ohk. All linear fusions do 166 to the body and around 414 on a head shot. Yet they can’t ohk supers let alone ohk to the body. The only linear that does a bit more damage is queenbreakers with 188 body shot damage with 633 charge time. And it still can’t shutdown supers. Plus there’s no way in hell that 300 charge time is can ohk. Arbalest is rank 143 in crucible usage and runs on special and crooked fang sits at 114 and is confined in the heavy slot. As for flinch is also ridiculously high just about the same as snipers. Yet it’s more forgiving on snipers due faster fire rate and perks like no distractions. Funny how you want to reduce charge time on yet it brings it down to a still slow as -blam!- charge time of 433 with both accelerated coils and a charge time master work. But it also ends up hurting the bs ohk everyone so proclaims. 😂 So they do need to become special weapons besides sleeper as that’s the only linear fusion that can ohk at any given range and can ohk all supers. Due to its slow charge time of 1000 and 700 if you have the catalyst.
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10 RepliesHow too fix linear fusions 1. Lower aim assist 2.increase charge time 3.increase body shot damage so it can one bang non overshield guardians but requires a headshot for shielded or supered guardians Easy now linears aren't bad snipers that you have to charge anymore and sleeper is still unique as it still kills a super to the body.
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If armor plating where better design wise they would be useful, but thats not gonna happen pd...example of plating the bone shield of hive knight (destructible, and give armor piercing functions an actual meaning in gameplay) and the cabal /taken phalanx (indestructible shield no matter what you hit it with, you can disintegrate the fat -blam!- behind it but never destroy / pierce through the shield)
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Correct, only the Aggressive frame snipers do less DPS then Linear Fusions, the rest are all higher
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5 RepliesLinear fusions are in a weird spot. They're too weak for the heavy slot, but too strong for the special slot (i.m.o.). They're so much easier to use than snipers. I feel that if linear fusions would go to the special slot, everybody would drop their sniper and move to linear fusions. I don't think I would like that meta very much.
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You ever heard of [spoiler]arbalest[/spoiler]
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Edited by blade329: 7/1/2019 3:28:19 AMAgreed. Nobody uses heavy Linear fusion rifles. Not when every other heavy outclasses them in every way. Queensbreaker should be a special weapon now. It's totally useless as a heavy after that ridiculous nerf.
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I totally agree. Linear Fusion are just to weak on impact, feel crapy with about 500 charge-time. They really don't feel like a heavy. Not just their Damage needs rework, this entire weapon class needs rework (exotics excluded). I can't remember if i ever used them for longer than 2-3 kills to just realize they lack Damage to other Heavy and Ammo Efficiency to even Special Ammo Snipers... and body shot damage. I mean dude, a primary does the equal xD
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Arbalest is more unique for the kinetic damage imo so CF in the special slot wouldnt hurt plus double linear fusions sounds fun lol
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22 RepliesF U C K N O Dear God please do not do this Bungie. PLEASE.
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Completely agree. Maybe keep Sleeper there, but otherwise move 'em up.
