At this point, it just feels like they're lost. Like without the community saying "do this commonsense thing." then Bungo doing said commonsense thing, it wouldn't happen. Whereas other devs can stand on their own two feet, make intelligent choices, push out finished content, release a game that's not in beta, and appease their fans... Bungie is just kinda flying by the seat of their pants, and it's getting old. It's also why I'm moving forward with Borderlands 3, as the Destiny series, which I've been into since D1 beta, was only meant to the me over to the next Borderlands. And I'm just not invested in Destiny enough to continue beyond Opulence.

Game is dead. Bungie is dying. Cheesy game for 8 year olds if finally dying... Bungie is collapsing!!! Yay!!!!!

The lack of communication from bungie is all the evidence needed to prove that they really do not care about d2 any longer. They seem to be losing workers left and right as well

*trying too hard.

I’m enjoying the Revelry

admit it,most of still playing D2 players just waiting for another new Network sandbox FPS game come out.competitive mode by P2P?so funny.D2 pvp experience is worst than D1.just explain to me how could a grenade luncher one shot kill a player?what kinds of the pvp could allowed that?and the weapon Jötung,ridiculous!

Test

None of us could know how hard Bungie is trying. Just stop.

I think there are a variety of problems that are happening in the gaming industry as a whole and locally at Bungie that have lead to us to where we are currently. One of, if not the biggest, issue is 'games as a service'. This coupled with mismanagement, upper management disconnect, and microtransactions have lead to what we're experiencing in some of the biggest triple A titles releasing today. I believe that publishers, developers, and consumers have all progressed this to the point at which we're seeing. Expecting a studio to keep it's playerbase as a whole entertained on a weekly or monthly basis is a bit much. That's why the term 'crunch' is being thrown around more and more these days as we want something new and fresh on almost a daily basis. I'm not saying we're to blame entirely but there sure is enough to go around. We're also seeing the gaming industry become more mainstream. With what I mentioned earlier about management, they view this as money making potential. Wanting to make money is not a bad thing. They should all get paid for the work they do. Problems arise when upper management doesn't want money, but instead wants all the money. Wanting all the money promotes microtransactions and quantity over quality. There's a balance to be made between the two that just isn't seen too often. Bungie has definitely played their part in this as well and isn't devoid of blame in the matter. To say that Bungie isn't trying is naive, though. They for sure are trying and you can tell from their ViDocs they're proud of what they've made and are making. They recognize their shortcomings as well - they just don't vocalize them a ton, and that may be something the consumer needs to hear. I would say a problem with their studio, and others, is that they're divided and this goes back to the games as a service. They're working on a new IP, Destiny 3, all the while maintaining and trying to update D2. I would rather them finish the current plans for D2, call it done, and devote all their resources to D3, or scrap D3 and turn D2 into a fully live model in which they build the world of Destiny as a whole. I'm all for companies taking 3 to 5+ years to fully develop a game. However, It should be a focused 3 to 5 as we've seen with Anthem that even with a 7 year development cycle a game can turn out poorly. Bungie needs to look outward and inward to learn. They have lots of places to pull experience from and it's up to them improve.

Prioritization is key

I don't think their issues primarily stem from something such as them not "trying hard enough." Game development is hard, and, as is quite obvious, the community you work to please is pretty harsh. I think they're all working plenty hard, but what's lacking is better management. If the people managing the teams aren't able to prioritize fixes or features appropriately, or they blatantly ignore the community, or they have just plain been in the industry too long and have lost their passion for the work, those faults trickle down to the cogs doing the real work and manifest in the game itself. Bungie needs an upper management refresh, perhaps along with an overall size reduction to return to their glory days. Once your company grows to a certain size, that's when the work people are doing becomes less about the product and/or the big picture of what you're trying to achieve, and more about just getting paid. If your job is to come up with new shaders, that's all you have to care about. You don't have to care about what's going on with the story, or the raid teams, and I think Bungie is probably full of people in positions like that, resulting in a company that overall can't/doesn't see the big picture, and management that is unable to communicate it.

It’s not about how hard one tries. Every success came from hardworking while vice versa won’t necessarily be valid. A lot of times, it’s all about that one thing a company gets it done right the first time or a bunch of little things done right consistently so that customers/players continue to enjoy. iPod, Glock, Gore-Tex, Netflix, Corning glass, just name a few things people enjoy using.

The whole invitation thing shows they either don't care or are incapable of acting properly to issues. Coupled together with all the staff leaving recently it doesn't paint a great picture. Now would be a good time for another state of the game style thing like last time the game was in crisis. Just open up, take a second to explain why these issues are occurring and why they aren't fixed quickly.

Define "trying" Otherwise the OP is inflammatory. You do realize you're telling someone that they're lazy at their job. Good luck getting what you want, DUMBASS.

Had to Lmao at the latest Invitation of the Nine which had to be withdrawn because it involves killing Vex on the Tangled Shore, which isn't even a thing! D'oh!

What makes this even more sad is the fact that we know Bungie could do better. Destiny 1 is proof of this. That game does almost everything better than D2. Bungie knows what to do, but are not putting near as much effort.

While they may be working on things and doing tasks, it certainly does feel like they are not trying all that hard. Of course if they actually spent a little effort and actually communicated with the community, people would feel different. But they are dead set on sticking to their 'respond vaguely to 3-5 posts per week' plan and it isn't being well received

The problem is the one hit wonder they have in charge. He’s been screwing this game up since he took over before TTK. The bs started with them taking away primaries with burns without saying a word about it before TTK launched and it’s been one thing after another ever since. He helped create one good raid over 5 yrs ago, it’s time to stop giving him a pass for it and make him accountable for his decisions since VoG