I want the grimior and the adept since they look better

I am terrible at PVP, and know that the Lighthouse is something that, I will more than likely never see, and I'm ok with that. Here is why, being older than probably a majority of you, (and please don't take this as an insult, it is not meant to be) I remember a time before participation trophies, and "everyone gets to play". When I was growing up, you actually had to try out for a team, and you might not make it, and if you didn't, you worked harder until you did. If you did make the team, but weren't good enough to start, you worked harder until you were. And if you weren't the champs, guess what... no trophy..... which made you work harder.... This is how I view trials, no effort, no rewards, even the hated streamers / paid carriers are guess what? Really, Really good, extremely skilled players, so good in fact, that they can go flawless while literally hamstringing themselves, by dragging 1, or even sometimes 2 lesser skilled players along with them... Personally I enjoy watching some of them weekly, I am amazed at their skill level, their reflexes, and how, like many professional athletes, they make a very difficult thing look easy. Bungie will not change the format of trials, nor should they, they accept that there are streamers, as these streamers are basically free advertising for the game. Trials would be "more inclusive" if the player base was larger, which it would be, if more players developed the work harder mentality, rather than the hand It to me mentality. A larger player base would invariably mean more "average" teams at 5, 7, or even 8 wins. But if everyone just gives up after getting pub stomped the first time, it will never get better... just my 2 cents... Oh yeah, and cross platform, have PS4, and XB1 merged for Trials, that would create a way larger player pool, but for that, you would need dedicated servers, which is another rant entirely.

I hate the current setup and I have two solutions in mind. Either make it 9 wins before the card's third loss or remove the whole mode and never come back in Destiny 2

Why do so many players defend the current Trials setup? The original concept is almost completely destroyed. Carries and cheaters go to the Lighthouse [i]all the time[/i]. By that logic, I never should have gone, but I did. So what's the point? I'm not sure what the answer is, but it needs some sort of a tune-up.

[quote]There has been so much discussion on these forums about changing Trials of Osiris. Let's make it SBMM or let's make it a tiered competition or let's force those who have been flawless into their own category. All of these different things to make trials more "inclusive."[/quote] You paint inclusivity as a bad thing. I assure you it's not. You seem opposed to ideas that provide ways for more people to enjoy another endgame activity. Many devs are coming to the realization that forms of inclusion such as SBMM are better for player retention than exclusive modes like CBMM. Trials, as currently structured, is a turn off for many people. It pushes a majority of the playerbase away just from the mere mention of "it's not for everyone." Why push people away when you can offer both inclusivity and exclusivity at the same time? [quote]If it's just to see the lighthouse, well you've got to earn that too. It's an experience that only the best get to experience because they worked to be the best. If it's the stat that says you made it, well that's absolutely not a reason to change the system.[/quote] Trials is far from the perfection you're trying to sell us on. It's actually a Catch-22. Bungie advertises it as "not for everyone," then seems to wonder why so few play it. It pushes alot of casuals out. They'd have a better chance of success if more played. But perception is reality. So as long as the perception is "hardcore only," it will become reality. What non-hardcore player [i]wants[/i] to willingly be cannon fodder for no-life PvPers? This is where we're at. If a small portion feel this way, so be it. But currently it's a large portion, and when it's a large portion it needs to be reassessed. Bungie has done this thrice (farming the gold bounty with April Update, adding Trials to the record, and making the bounties "easier") and gotten it wrong thrice. They either don't understand [i]why [/i] we won't play it, are unwilling to, or just unable given their atrocious engine and coding. I don't expect anything to change anytime soon. But if Bungie wants to attract more players, they will need to figure why we don't participate. [quote]Ultimately this is the question. Why do you care about the lighthouse so much? [/quote] I think a better question is: If there was a way to satiate both hardcore and casuals - the inclusivity that allows casuals to feel apart of something and have some real success alongside the exclusivity that will still allow hardcore players the ability to laud their successes over others - would you be opposed to it? Would you receive it with an open mind?

Adept gear is damn near exotic without being exotic. Outlining enemies while ADS and having the additional perk along with a solid set of other perks for pvp make some of the best primaries in the game. Throw in an exclusive area to explore in game that many have never been to (making it seem way cooler than it actually is) and a grimoire card for obtaining and you have an upset community because most can't get any of that stuff. The sad part is that the lighthouse is obtainable through developing your skill and finding a solid team that you work well with. The first team I went to the light house with are above average players but not anywhere close to the best. The issue is nobody wants to put in the time and dedication to develop as a team and insist that they need one or two amazing players that can just do the work for them with little effort. In come the streamers and paid carries, bringing more stigma that unless you are one of the best you need a carry. That's why many complain on the forums that it needs a fix. I honestly think peoples attitudes need a fix, not the game itself

Because the view is incroiable!

Yes, I want to get to the lighthouse. I have never even tried because I'm horrible at PvP. I agree 100% though that Trials should be a game mode for the best of the best. On the flip side I was one of those who argued back in year one that VoG gear should have been a mandatory step to raise light level enough to do any of the Dark Below DLC instead of buying ones way through vendors. (And again CE should be done to get to HoW and so on and so on) Two paths to get light for the next DLC: Trials and Raids. (People argued that the raid only path was not fair for the PvP people before HoW, and Trials fills that roll perfectly).

I don't see why we cant have a rumble version of trials. Certainly rumble will show more skill than elimination. Especially, since apparently trials has just turned into a carry fest.

My biggest issue is how Bungie CONSTANTLY says things about wanting more people to experience end game PVE activities and does everything in their power to make them easier/more accessible, but then when it comes to PVP related stuff it's always "THE BEST OF THE BEST ONLY". Seems kinda hypocritical of them to be like "Oh here is one endgame/hardcore activity that everyone should be able to complete" and then turn around and be like "Oh here is another endgame/hardcore activity that only a few should be able to complete"

Only those who pay or get carried to see. It's not just for the best of the best.

I want it because my friend runs it on my face that he got carried but I don't wanna go on twitch and still need a supportive team