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Edited by DeeJ: 9/13/2016 12:15:38 AM
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Notes on the Hand Cannon.

Guardians, Recently, our conversation as a community has included a spirited debate about the role of the Hand Cannon in Destiny. We had that same chat in our own house. Here is a statement that our Sandbox Design Team created together. Those are the developers who work on the overall gameplay in Destiny. These are their words. [quote]Hello Destiny community! Due to a recent resurgence in feedback about “Ghost Bullets” we wanted to take a minute to explain how and why the weapons in Destiny behave the way that they do… “Ghost Bullets” is a community-coined term that is being used to describe the frustration of missing the intended target due to weapon stats. The bullets aren’t disappearing, they just aren’t hitting the bullseye. Internally, we would call this specific aspect of a weapon “Accuracy,” which is one of the values embedded in the Range Stat of every Destiny weapon. When looking at Destiny weapon archetypes, we wanted players to be able to assume a weapon’s traits through visuals and an intuitive understanding of how weapons work. Players can make the assumption that barrel length, and stability (stock) will affect the accuracy of a weapon class. These types of distinctive behaviors make for fun and interesting choices within the action simulation. In short, Hand Cannons, with a relatively short barrel and no stock, are not intended to be long range precision weapons like a Scout Rifle or a Sniper Rifle. Instead they are big, heavy, [u]pistols[/u] that pack a large punch. If you can control the kick, and close on your targets during combat, you will likely (as our friend Variks says) “Kill them dead.” We want to very sincerely say that this communique is not meant to be argumentative or belittle any of the consistent feedback we’ve received on the subject. Regardless of how “correctly” the game systems are working, the core message is that shooting a Hand Cannon during high skill gameplay can feel inconsistent and/or frustrating for people. [b]We hear you, and we are always looking to improve on that experience.[/b] While it’s unlikely that we would completely remove Accuracy as a concept from Destiny weapons, we will investigate alternative options to balance Hand Cannons vs. other weapon archetypes. Destiny is a game that will evolve as players push, pull, and build the world. You are wonderful people, the best community, and passionate about this game in a way that pushes us to always be our best. Thank you for playing, and thank you for reading.[/quote] To reiterate that the game makers just said: These conversations are never finished. Keep telling us what you think about the gunplay and the balance in Destiny, and us community guys continue to add your voice to their discussion about our creative process. [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to the #Destiny forum. See [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/140391030/0/0]Cozmo's thread[/url] for more information about the #Destiny tag and its uses. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic, for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler]
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  • Can we just make hand canons work the way they used to in early year 1? Please?

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  • Deej, yo bad. Git gud

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  • Edited by LovelySpaghetti: 10/2/2016 10:20:24 PM
    Deej why u gotta be so rude I'm gonna marry her neway

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  • done a bit more play on this over the weekend PVP and PVE, tried an ill will, Lord high fixer, finalaa's peril and an imago loop, universally across the board two major problems, firstly "ghost bullets"/ conal accuracy present with each and every gun, range perks mitigate it somewhat but still noticeable, secondly reserve ammo, far too shallow on HC's even with armour perks boosting it. Biggest problem with HC's their current effective range is well within secondary range for fusions, Shotguns and sidearms all of which will outshout or trade with the HC.

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    • Bungie can you please nerf the titan defender it's so annoying

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      • Agrees 200%, this needs to be fixed!

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        • Need a Hunter for parts 8 and 9 of the exotic pulse quest Add dunner2014

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        • People need to buy the vendor palindrome. Having zero issues with it

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          • It's funny they say that because when I'm using a scout rifle and my opponent is with about 20ft, I've been noticing that, now given I know rounds miss, when I am hitting them with the rounds it doesn't always apply damage, aka ghost bullets. I've had damage not apply in pve and PvP. Example, point blank shotgun fire or continuous auto rifle rounds to the chest!!!!!!!

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            • Titan shotgunner rushed me today. I had plenty of time to pump him with 5 handcannon shots. I paced my shots waiting for the recoil to center. Shot 1 hits his head. Shot 2 misses his head. Okay maybe my aim was bad but seemed like it was square in his face. I move my sights down to his center mass to guarantee the kill. Shot 3 and 4 completely misses his body from 7 ft away. Shot 5 hits him as his shotgun rips through my body. RNG shots are miserable.

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              • #what happened to shot package [spoiler]when's it predecessor being re-added[/spoiler]

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              • So what you're saying is that my "first curse" an exotic I almost never see in crucible is op because of all it's abilities that boost range, therefore boosting accuracy? *plays 20 games of crucible* OMG! This is amazing!

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                • Op is tomato

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                • Remove shotgun/melee so people will have to actually learn gun skill....really pathetic

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                • Message emozio666 for free lighthouse carries! No raffles! Has a clan ready to help!

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                  • Explain to me why I cant play a single crucible match without coming up against a red bar. I actually have played this since roughly around launch. Great game huge potential. Fix your -blam!-ing servers. Or go back to connection based matchmaking for the love of God! It should be a test of aim and skill not wondering how there laggy ass teleported behind me when they were just in front of me. I am only 1 guardian but, I am 1 that has helped make you billions off this game. Fix the connection problems once and for all. Dedicated servers, whatever you have to do, do it. You can afford it!

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                  • Edited by GRRIM_LXIX: 10/1/2016 4:12:35 PM
                    Fix the venus mind strike you bunch of lazy -blam!-s. Cant open the chest.

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                    • signed

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                    • Maybe improve range I have ill will with reinforced barrel and it doesn't shoot as far as it did in yr 1

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                    • HC [u]really[/u] do a terrible job now!

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                    • Just keep the drop off remove the accuracy shenanigans. I'll be happy with at least being able to hit my damn target. I don't care of I do half damage just let me hit whatever I'm shooting at

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                      • Wanna hear a joke? Destiny servers

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                        • Aghhh. If anything they just need a buff in PvE, you're so worried about how they perform in PvP, literally no one uses them in PVE anymore, in year 1 that's all I used, I still haven't caught up to my hand cannon kills from year 1 with any other class of primary. PvE and PvP really need to have separate stats.

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                          • Just improve accuracy quite a bit..decrease base range slightly. Like year 1

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                          • I write this prior 1 with download 80 meg upload 8 megs and cant even sign in to destiny.

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                          • Please fix the damn chicken error there are a lot of other people having the same issue and it absolutely ridiculous

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