3 to 6 hour raids, people dying, people quitting. Loved VoG and CE (even with the glitches) they were an easy completion for all 3 of my characters every week. This raid however, with all its cogs and gears and moving parts, does not allow your fireteam to have a single weak member. Wipe after wipe, I just find Kings Fall not worth the time invested! Sure I want high lvl gear, but it should be up to my skill, not some random guy that lies and says he knows how to do the raid when he clearly doesn't. All this and trying to find a good raid group that doesn't require 317+ with Touch, Spindle, and you have to be this and that certain class. Gave up on this raid over a month ago.