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Edited by Guardian, Archon Of Light: 8/26/2024 7:45:17 PM
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Final Shape, and the Toxic Isolation and Alienation of Solo Players by Bungie

In all the MMOs and Looter Shooters I have played , never before have I seen a developer go out of there way to make a good portion of there players feel like 2nd class citizens like Bungie has done with Final Shape Duel Destiny speaks for itself , a main selling point of a paid expansion secretly locked by social skill checks , with no warning when purchasing said expansion, clear practice of bait and switch, something business get heavily punished for by the Better Buisness Buereo And on top of that, you have the co-op focused campaign missions that have raid mechanics, oh and of course another exotic advertised with the DLC is locked behind social skill checks Basically at the end , Bungie is giving solo players the middle finger , while laughing with our money , and I can't just blame Pete, I am sure he had nothing to do with the creative decisions, the Frontline developers are the ones that chose to leave out solo players , so I don't feel has bad has I first did, but that aside they still didn't deserve to get totally screwed , losing a paycheck is worse than missing out on a few Exotics So all the people that will flood this post with "Use LFG" and the classic "Destiny isn't a Solo game" , I hope you enjoy your class items when Sony shuts off the servers in there attempt to put the billion dollar live service debacle behind them I won't shed a tear at D2s funeral
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  • Don't forget the part where they hid the previously earnable solo "level 7" behind co-op in this DLC. That part was just a straight up insult.

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  • All I see is more gay lore….

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    • Edited by Roach: 8/27/2024 6:37:56 PM
      Well, they just pullled another blinder. First the cutscene for the beginning of Act III, that you cannot skip, is the start of yet yet another gay relationship drama. And step 1 of 22 for Act III is to complete the exotic mission. But they havent put a node in Fireteam Finder for it. But you will have to do it on all three characters. So there's that. And my mate says it is bugged and extremely "janky", as dying in certain areas soft locks you and you cannot restart. He's just rage quit Bungie's latest disaster. Anyone else think they saw that most people cannot be bothered with the tedious chore that was Dual Destiny and they asked themselves just how can we make players engage with our latest effort ?? .. Hey I know, make it part of the story they paid for but cannot progress without doing it, and they'll have to do it on all three characters too. As it's the biggest they have ever done according to them, and based on the tedious mechanics in the campaign and Dual Destiny I am going to give this guaranteed bullet sponge fest a hard pass. The good news though is that means I don't have to bother with yet another few weeks of "When did you tell me you loved me" and cheese on toast lines like "I tore through time for you" after it so that's a major plus. They seem to be determined to force people to engage with stuff. Like the "Chat is disabled" alert I get every time I log in. I know it's disabled Bungie, because I was there when I disabled it. And I disabled it because I stopped dealing with the oxygen stealing section of the playerbase you cater to a long while ago. Or the recently appeared "Quest" that tells me to go speak to Saint about Trials, clearly just to get you to speak to him and I bet that will count as you playing Trials that week. I just cant be bothered with this game anymore.

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      • Edited by D3FAULT3: 8/28/2024 2:25:22 AM
        I used to complain about the duel Destiny activity not being a solo activity when it first came out and got sick of complaining. Bungie doesn't care because it requires work to change the activity to a solo activity and they already got their money so they don't care I actually took a break from destiny to play other games and it broke the destiny addiction. People want changes that will never happen so is better to move on, I did. I came back to play the Solstice event for a bit and noticed the game feels DEAD and player count is really low. It's really sad to see the game in such a bad shape and I know it will not get better in the future. I do agree with the comment about servers shutting down. I do believe they will shut the servers down in the near future. I recently played The first Descendants and I had lots fun playing the campaign, something I haven't experienced in destiny in a long time. First descendant has its flaws but it was fun playing it and you can do all the activities and campaign SOLO. I recommend all SOLO players play other games and break the destiny addiction. Trust me, after you break the addiction, you wont care about an unobtainable class item. Good luck all

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        • Those of you who are against this guy need to understand something: not everyone can do voice chat. Some people are deaf, some people are mute. Some people have to be quiet when they game as to not wake up others in the home. On a PC mmo, you can type everything so this isn't much of an issue for Raids and other content that can't be completed solo, but this isn't the case on a console with a gamepad. It's not cool to gatekeep content like this to lock out people who for whatever reason can't participate.

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          • Edited by CookieNiki: 8/27/2024 7:49:25 PM
            As a solo player, I have played less and less every month since Final Shape. And I've been playing this game nonstop since 2014. I guess Bungie doesn't want my kind of player anymore. That's ok, I achieved what I wanted, which was to play the whole 10-year saga. I'm ready to move on if Bungie changes the game to be based mostly on obligatory co-op activities. And to be honest I'm having much more fun playing First Descendant and other unrelated games.

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            • Edited by Yosemite Sam: 8/26/2024 11:22:56 PM
              [quote]In all the MMOs and Looter Shooters I have played , never before have I seen a developer go out of there way to make a good portion of there players feel like 2nd class citizens like Bungie has done with Final Shape[/quote] Nope, it seems to be only this scummy business that has pulled this crap, and I have never seen so many ignorant people defend garbage like this in any video game. Yes, the trolls will come in and make all their stupid comments as usual but they will ignore the fact that the player base is dropping off because people are tired of this scummy business BS.

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                I couldn’t have said this better myself.

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                • Well said, this is the main reason for losing players

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                  • It's the little things too, like the now constant icon on your emblem showing you a muted mic (hey bro plug a mic in) , or the pop up as you login telling you text chat is turned off (hey bro turn your chat on), even enabling rewards from private PvP games & saying grab some friends. Barely play anymore, I get the message, my money is no longer wanted :)

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                  • After the initial outrage that this purposely divisive mission caused, I can't help but feel a little karma is taking place. The solo players who were complaining in their masses, and rightly so, have gone rather quiet. This is either because the rewards are totally not worth the hassle, or, more believably, have stopped playing altogether and have found games that actually respect their customers. The majority of complaints are now mainly coming from the players who initially [i][b]defended [/b][/i]this controversial mission, which I find quite amusing. Those self-opinionated people who were claiming it to be "the best mission ever put into Destiny", and unsympathetically crying "use lfg" and "find a friend", started whinging when a glitch which dropped double rewards was rightly patched. Since then, other complaints such as the drop rates, poor rng, the mission is too much to grind over and over for a single reward, etc have been expressed on this very forum. For heavens sake, even Xur sells them now, and they're still not happy. I think it's a good time for solo players to gloat now, even though there is still no valid option for them to get the class items, and are deliberately being prevented from buying them with strange coins.

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                    • I've noticed that even regular difficulty content has just slowly crept up in difficulty to the point where people i know just won't bother any more. I want to be drawn in and play through the seasonal stories and get invested, but all this just puts me off.

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                      • I hear you... Shame bungie doesn't. I play solo, Most of my clan also play solo, When out on any patrol zone I see loads of solo players. I join strikes, and the ones that I enjoy the most are when I'm matched with Solo players... Solo players are the most disciplined players with their own goals, and objectives & like to play on their own terms Solo players usually have families, Employment, Bills 2 pay, and thus limited amounts of time, Bungie doesn't cater for those players, they cater to the 'grinder' with acres of time. Solo players usually don't like using mics, or even texting.. we live in that world now where using the 'wrong pronouns' or swearing etc can get you flagged up or even banned. Cancel culture is real, so to keep our accounts we avoid communicating altogether (*my perspective backed by evidence & experience) To top all that bungie offer accolades for completing certain activities solo... And lately... crucible broken, no fix for player name issue, people getting penalised for broken connections, bans issued for all sorts of reasons, I even got a ban on this forum for 1 week because I called for a moderator to resign... That's hate speech apparently.. The dogpilers will be along shortly to defend Bungie to the hilt... don't let them bother you... they lurk here all day looking for victims instead of playing games.. ❤️Xeno

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                        • It seems Bungie may have overstepped with the latest Destiny expansion. It's as if they have a deliberate disregard for solo players, which is strange. Alienating the majority of your player base doesn't seem like a smart business move. I'm hoping the Sony-led restructuring of Bungie brings some positive changes and helps curb some of Bungie's more questionable decisions, though that might be a bit optimistic.

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                          • Edited by SnakeEyes734: 8/28/2024 7:04:04 AM
                            It's a money thing. Bungie hopes current guardians will bring in new players * Sadly I tell anyone curious about playing Destiny, to stay far away from this game these days.... The game is mostly now log in Tuesday, do some Pathfinders and check off the Fortnite style triumphs checklist, for bright dust, the premium currency for shopping Eververse.

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                            • Wanna tell me what that second “M” in MMO stands for? Cry more

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                            • IMO Ignore the hate and annoying comments you have valid points, no one will listen or understand your feedback until it's too late Speak with your wallet and time and play other games Its the ONLY Thing Bungie will notice

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                            • “Social skill check” New verbiage acquired

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                            • Edited by TonnoSenpai: 8/29/2024 9:47:35 AM
                              90% of the game is made for solo player , lmfao this hate infected players are worse than W infected people

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                              • You’re so right. How dare they release a mission that requires co-op in a mmo that is centered around co-op play. And they totally forced us to spend our money too. Shut up you moron. You have free will. If u want the exotic play the damn mission. If those super simple “raid” mechanics are too much for you, play a different game.

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                              • The toxic isolation and alienation of a company comprised of hundreds of people releasing a mission into an MMO for two players. Bro enough already -blam!-, if you put half as much effort into making one friend as you did writing this post you wouldn’t have a problem anymore.

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                              • To be fair, solo players tend to isolate and alienate themselves by the nature of their own choices.

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                              • Edited by xbroggiex: 8/28/2024 1:54:27 AM
                                Oh goodie, its that time for the weekly solo bozo Dual Destiny complaint post yippee! [quote]clear practice of bait and switch, something business get heavily punished for by the Better Buisness Buereo[/quote] "plz better buzines bureo bungy put teh class item behin dool destoony sue them thx" Yeah... they'll jump right out there seats at that report and totally get right on Bungie's case and not laugh in your face. [quote]So all the people that will flood this post with "Use LFG" and the classic "Destiny isn't a Solo game" , I hope you enjoy your class items when Sony shuts off the servers in there attempt to put the billion dollar live service debacle behind them I won't shed a tear at D2s funeral[/quote] Damn, people give you solid reasonable responses and you decide to stomp your feet like a child having a tantrum and act all petty lmao.

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                                • Where was the bait and switch? They said there would be exotic class items and there are.. indeed exotic class items...

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                                  • Edited by b-radtitanheat11: 8/28/2024 2:12:47 AM
                                    [quote]In all the MMOs and Looter Shooters I have played , never before have I seen a developer go out of there way to make a good portion of there players feel like 2nd class citizens like Bungie has done with Final Shape Duel Destiny speaks for itself , a main selling point of a paid expansion secretly locked by social skill checks , with no warning when purchasing said expansion, clear practice of bait and switch, something business get heavily punished for by the Better Buisness Buereo And on top of that, you have the co-op focused campaign missions that have raid mechanics, oh and of course another exotic advertised with the DLC is locked behind social skill checks Basically at the end , Bungie is giving solo players the middle finger , while laughing with our money , and I can't just blame Pete, I am sure he had nothing to do with the creative decisions, the Frontline developers are the ones that chose to leave out solo players , so I don't feel has bad has I first did, but that aside they still didn't deserve to get totally screwed , losing a paycheck is worse than missing out on a few Exotics So all the people that will flood this post with "Use LFG" and the classic "Destiny isn't a Solo game" , I hope you enjoy your class items when Sony shuts off the servers in there attempt to put the billion dollar live service debacle behind them I won't shed a tear at D2s funeral[/quote] Finding ONE person for a mission isn’t hard. You have to play multiplayer IN A MULTIPLAYER GAME to get all loot. Lastly, you root for destiny’s downfall yet you played 3 hours ago 😂😂😂😂😂. Don’t let OP fool you fellow guardians if he privates his stuff 🤡🤡. See you next episode, expansion, and D3. 🤣

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                                  • Quit, really, you will not miss it. I entered online gaming with Bad Company 2 from EA that was the game that really throw me into online gaming, and Destiny even if I played it for years with some hiccups is the game that made me DESPISE everything about online gaming. Just quit.

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