Tbh I’m grateful to be able to play trials again only thing I’d like to change is the skill queuing. It’s annoying when your teammates can’t get a kill let alone aim straight enough to assist you lol. It’s about what you can expect though, how often do you get evenly matched randoms in regular crucible or banner?? I played D1 heavy and with a competitive clan, had many squads to run with up until D2 beta but IRL BS took me away from gaming for years until recently which sucks. So yea it’s koo I like the changes for the most part(iffy on the control point spawns) but I miss going flawless and winning.

I like this post. My KD is 0.4 with a win percentage of 20%. My current win % is false as i have a sweat buddy that helps me out. Before the changes if i wanted a chance at the weekly weapon i would have to join LFG suicide teams for the 10 loses and i hated that. Felt awful and i have a god rolled Igneous Hammer from doing that. Feels cheap, The fact that i can now go into trials on my own and matchmake and try and get better and learn the maps and tactics needed is great. Getting the loot that it gives is great. Even when its rough and not working out i can still work towards the engrams and the ranks while trying. The crucible QP rank upgrades while playing trials are awesome. The Trials matches are generally quicker than a match of control so ranking up crucible is actually faster in trials anyway. The fact that my sweat buddies can now realistically carry me to flawless without it being a soul destroying experience for everybody is epic. Over the past 3 weeks of trials i have improved, not leaps and bounds but in small areas ive gotten better and i plan to keep playing but i think it will take me around 2 or 3 seasons of continued crucible and trials play to GiTgUd and if i want that then its there for me and is there for everybody else too. Anyway i agree with everything the OP said. Trials is now open and accessible with the loot tap flowing. A 0.5kd in IB aint gonna cut it and to be good you are gonna have to practice PVP the same way you practice Raids.

I'm a bad to average (at best) pvp player who always avoided trials like the plague and I agree with you. I still haven't been flawless, I did complain some (not a lot) about that, but I do need to massively improve. You're VERY right about the rng of solo queue. I actually had several times in my solo games where I lost whole matches because I just wasn't quite good enough to clutch a round or two 1v1 when it was close. Whether I missed a shot or two because my gun skill isn't great, or I made a mistake with a decision when I was last guardian standing (went for a rez when I should have pushed the last guy who was low health, or pushed a 1v2 when there was a free rez behind me I didn't realize) There is ALOT of skill in just plain decision making in this game mode and a lot of folks treat it like 6v6 control and hold forward. Gotta get better folks. There's no better time than now, when there's so much if the player base like ourselves, just average Joe's, also playing.

Iron banner freelance is a great example of this. A lot of below average players were under the impression that solo ib will somehow magically make them win or get we rans every match. They will not face stacks in solo ib but still get stomped on. Then of course, the only thing left to do is run to the forums and complain about stuff like 1. Bad teammates (never looks at his own performance) 2. Bad connection (never looks at own connection) 3. Shatter dive (powerful but obvious) 4. Flawless title players (as if that means diddly squat) 5. Dunemarchers (powerful but always getting aped) 6. Some other ability or weapon 7. Assorted random bull sh*t Point is, it's never their fault. Everything is peachy when they win. Bungie sucks when they lose. No in between lol

Unfortunately this post won't help. They can't read.

Hah, like the edit : "Soooooo many of you are quick to get triggered and miss understand the tone of the post", you are in the destiny community. Alot of people replying need to prove that you are an idiot and that they are in the right, because they can't j**k off otherwise. To give you an example, I literally wrote a post about how awesome warlock feels this season, and the person that replied was some loser who was going on about me having delusions that warlock is bad and that I'm just saying stuff for updoots(cause we all know internet points is what matter in life)". In the end, nice post but no matter WHAT you post, negative or positive, your opinion or some changes you think would make the game better, you'll still get hate just because.

This right here, needs more upvotes. It is the harsh truth, but the truth nonetheless. I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

Sorry but you are mostly wrong in all of your assumptions. Not [b]ALL[/b] of us expected to be suddenly great at the game but what [b]MOS[/b]T of us hoped for was actually a [b]FAIR[/b] chance to play, learn and get better. What we have is that it is now easier for the average & above average to get flawless because more of the below average are being matched with them in their [b]FLAWLESS[/b] game, the matchmaking algorithm that means that any player with a 6 or 7 win card, regardless of the number of losses on that card, is being matched with other players on a [b]NON FLAWED[/b] 6 or 7 win card and because fireteams are matching solos, possibly because they are intentionally avoiding other fireteams. If Bungie does mange to stop anyone seeing the numbers joining matchmaking then it also needs to prioritize duos matching duos & threesomes matching threesomes or even less solo players will play. And as for using lfg well that's never gong to happen when all of the posts are filled with comments like "be gud", "don't suck" or my all time favorite "must have a 1.4kd in trials" people like me are [b]NEVER[/b] going to be able to find a team through lfg. Maybe I'm an anomaly or maybe I'm just a masochist, but I have played a [b]LOT [/b] of trials these last 3 weekends without any expectation of getting flawless but just wanting to get better and able to hold my own.

[quote]Hard to swallow pills : you all refused to play the mode before and now expect yourselves to suddenly be great at it. On top of this you assumed match making meant you'd suddenly start winning even though you're bad at the game mode. Furthermore for God knows what reason you haven't learnt that lesson yet so you think freelance means you a bad player will suddenly start winning. No if you're bad you're bad and you need to practice to get better. No trials isn't for the sweat Lords anymore, you can literally get all the rewards aside from adept weapons and mods while losing constantly. Bungie made fantastic changes you all just refuse to practice, refuse to take the blame for loses often blaming your team of randoms or accusing the enemies of cheating or no lifing. Most of all a lot of you actively refuse to use any form of lfg as well as never using fire team voice chat during games effectively shooting yourself in the foot from the get go, and then you're shocked you lose more than you win. This season bungie is not to blame, sweats are not to blame, streamers and content creators are not to blame, YOU are to blame. Edit : I want to throw this in here because I did not expect even 1 reply let alone the hundreds it's getting and I have no intention of replying back aside from this edit. Soooooo many of you are quick to get triggered and miss understand the tone of the post. (Shout out to the large amount of people that have left positive comments I see you <3) Anyways the clarification is this; there is nothing wrong with being bad we all sucked when we started and that's a fact, the problem is the majority actively refuse to put any time at all into practice in order to improve and instead immediately rush here to complain. Not 1 single time did I ever say opening up to solo and duo players was bad for trials idk why you people think the "1t W4s DyiNg B3fOrE s0loS gOt L3t iN" is a valid argument here given that's not in the slightest the thing I'm addressing. Yes it was dying, yes I'm happy with the population increase, but your attitudes are gonna just kill it again. And finally arguably most importantly something I left out of the original post cos it was already longer than I wanted it to be; match making exists in trials purely as a form of practicing, introducing you to the game mode, and warming up before joining a team that is all. Is it possible to solo a ton of wins? Yes. Will the average player be able to do so? No. Can you solo flawless? Yes. Should the average player expect a solo flawless? No. Ayo I final thing why so many replies being like "bro the changes were good" yeah my dude I straight up said in the post the changes bungie made are fantastic lmao we agreeing[/quote] That’s a cool trick - quick - tell me what else I am thinking! What you’re forgetting is that most casual PvP players DON’T WANT to get better…we really don’t care about going flawless either…we just want a fair match when we finally do decide to play… We also don’t want to be the reason you go flawless that week…

[quote]Hard to swallow pills : you all refused to play the mode before and now expect yourselves to suddenly be great at it. [/quote] Nope. [quote]On top of this you assumed match making meant you'd suddenly start winning even though you're bad at the game mode.[/quote] Wrong again. [quote]Furthermore for God knows what reason you haven't learnt that lesson yet so you think freelance means you a bad player will suddenly start winning.[/quote] Strike three. [i]Yer out!![/i] The point you're missing is that this model of average players getting kicked-in-the-teeth-for-loot is not sustainable. YES, it will keep people in the playlist for a short time, but once the loot-well runs dry....people will leave..... ...and the skill creep that kills off Trials on regular basis will start all over again. It will simply DELAY that process. Not cure it. On Friday---before the flawless MM kicked in---I played Trials and went 2-and-30 out of the solo queue. I got stomped in the first two matches while the MM figured out where to put me. Then won two matches relatively quickly.....then lost over 20 matches in a row after that. If you think ANYTHING kept me enduring that other than loot? You're delusional. That wasn't fun, and I'm not going to waste my precious leisure time enduring that on a regular basis. By contrast---when the flawless mm kicked in on Sunday---I went like 8-10. Flawless and the Lighthouse were NEVER, remotely in the picture. But playing on a 7 win card...and still being able to experience some success and not having every match be a 5-0 or 5-1 blowout for one side or the other.... ...was fun. The experience felt more like Survival/Comp....rather than getting Curbstomped-for-(someone else's) Kicks that Trials had become. [i]The real issue is do you want an INCLUSIVE Trials that will appeal to a broad audience...and can sustain itself. Or do you want an Exclusive, Predatory Trials that keeps self-destructing....and an incurable cheating problem....and Bungie has to keep taking out of the game to "fix" every few months?[/i]

Geez, I wonder why someone wouldn't want to put effort into playing a gamemode that punishes you for losing 1 match. Trials is a stupid gamemode. Hell, I managed to learn how to properly play CS: Source in half the time it took to make it to 5 wins. The only people really getting anything out of it are sweats.

Why is it the 0.4kds complaining about trials. I’ve never seen 1.5kd complain about GM nightfalls.

This is exactly why I still won’t play it. That way I always win.

TLDR; people aren’t as good as they want to be, and its human nature to blame outside variables because the ugly truth is that you are to blame for all of your own failure. Not a brilliant take, psychologists have known about this for... I think approaching a thousand years? There’s literally stories in the bible about the hubris of man.

As far as solo queuing ... Casuals just want it more fair....will I go flawless, solo....nope....but will I have more fun losing 5-3 or 5-4 vs curb stomped 5-0? Yes....yes I will. 2 things ruin this game... lower skilled people and the elites. Lower skilled people want everything brought down to help them win... The elites just say..."git gud" and you can be as good as me. So they are both to blame. Now, few facts I think are true... Elites good teams don't want a solo queue ...because winning is so much easier now....on a 7 win card I'd bet 50% matches are against solo( shouldn't split player pool up...bad for game my -blam!-) just want free wins. Beat them bad enough, somebody will quit out and leave. Elite players also -blam!- about SBMM....can't farm ELO or KD going up against similar skilled players. Every match is just SO sweaty 😓 ...you poor things, getting good at the game, and having to actually play the game.... Do I know I suck at trials pvp...yes yes I do....but for me to "git gud" me getting stomped 5-0 4 matches in a row...I can't learn anything... So get off your high horse there Jr......cause elites and "trash" player are 2 sides to same coin my friend.

OP, I am a Solo player, I queued into Trials strictly solo over the past two weeks, and I have gone Flawless [b][i]both times[/i][/b]. I like the challenge and satisfaction of finally being able to go Flawless on my own, and I admit to getting a degree of satisfaction from beating three-stack Clan PvP Fireteams while running as a Solo player. But what you're complaining about is people leveling legitimate criticism towards the state of the matchmaking and player pool of Trials. It is why Bungie does have a Freelance pool for Trials of Osiris in the works. So Solo players can play Trials without needing to worry about the three-stack fire-teams; so they can play Trials [b]on an even playing field[/b] with other players. Because that is what solo players playing against three-stacks aren't experiencing.

BooHoo...........I'm a PvP God and you scrubs need to quit the "Elite Trials" !! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.............................................

I'm trying wrap my mind around someone attempting to school me and others who said "learnt." You may be skilled at Destiny OP, but you should probably work on being more skilled at communication and not making yourself sound like an uneducated, ignorant, moron.