It is a weird vibe for sure. Iv spent a LOT of time with the Hawkmoon that holds 13 in the chamber, and as soon as I got my hands on it in D2 I knew I couldn't really use it the way I did in Destiny. Don't get me wrong, it's actually much more viable in most content right now than it ever was in Destiny, even including its reign of terror in the crucible as a PSN exclusive. In fact the changes to it's perk design really aren't what puts me off, it's super cool to see it have a little more PvE viability (though 5 shots less in the mag is a lil jarring). What really gets me is the feel and sound of it. Dunno if its just me but nearly all weapon sounds in D2 sound seriously weird, very puny and subdued. Maybe I am just an audiophile nerd, but sound design is a huge part of what makes me love Destiny, and I wonder if other folks find D2 a little lacking compared to it. I know it sounds like a ridiculous complaint and I dont wanna be one of THOSE people on the forums but it's one area I really feel is overlooked, and to me it's a game changer.

Well either you get it like this or you don’t get it at all, Bungie has made it clear luck based perks have no place in this game anymore. That being said, I disagree that the Hawkmoon we got isn’t comparable. The damage bonus was moved to a skill-based yet predictable version that still captures the essence of having an important shot but still trying to always hit your headshots to get the most out of that important shot while also moving the RNG element to the random rolls. It’s identity doesn’t feel completely absent and personally I think this Hawkmoon is a much better designed and more interesting exotic. But that’s just an opinion.

To me, at base it's a front loaded Austringer for those who didn't get to play Menagerie or for those who got one and it's been sunset. I mean you can't argue Hawkmoon doesn't come out the gates with incredibly high stats in just about every category. The random rolls make it (potentially) the only RNG exotic that is sunset proof and a very good "jack of all trades master of none" lil Handcannon for everyone. Should the stats get even crazier when we can farmthe random rolls, my opinion may differ but even so, I think it'll hold it's place regardless. The Final (Paracausal) Round payload is a bonus but in most cases, not very practical. That being said it does feel nice to get 2 taps or even 1 taps when it pans out. I still think that in general, Ace or Thorn will probably be a better pick, as Bungie absolutely loaded that thing and Thorn will always be good due to the dot tracking and recov denile. There is very few Handcannons that can or will Dethrone them. Even Last Word is up there if you use Controller or can manage it with M&K. Sturm (& Drang) is also very very good and when paired, especially now, Sidearms are extremely deadly and Sturm gets 2 taps left and right with those overload bullets. Sunshot has the fastest base ttk being a 150 and very good range with the catalyst but I hear that alot of people don't like it mainly because it's an energy weapon and well, Felwinter and Adored are energy too so.... Ariana's Vow is also good as the "Desert Eagle" of Destiny but it's an energy weapon too and you kind of need to play it like a scout or sniper to get the most of it. Unless you do that cheesy quick access sling bow body shot nonsense but you could so the same with a 120 handcannon and free your exotic for whatever else. That's my thoughts on Hawkmoon and it's place as an exotic handcannon as it has been presented in D2 for anyone that cares.

I think it’s a good interpretation of it. RNG with the random perks and the ability to one and two tap in PvP. It’s my favourite exotic and wish it could have been a like for like of the original D1 gun but it would have been OP.

It would be ok if the reload speed was insane.

People would have whined OP just like they did in D1 when it was nerfed bro no need to do that again. Better to just do a new high skill high reward perk like they did.

You're right, it's better

Fakemoon

This gun is not actually hawkmoon, but a reforged effigy of it using a shard of the traveler. They acknowledge it's not hawkmoon.

Completely agree and I really don't get Bungie's rationale for doing this. Did they really think that all we really cared about is a gun that looks like, any maybe feels like and is otherwise Hawkmoon in name only? Maybe they thought otherwise, but I and a lot of other people including the big name streamers seem to agree this bares little to no resemblance to the original Hawkmoon in functionality. As I recall there was some fear Hawkmoon in original form would just be too OP for PvP in D2. To me that could have been easily remedied to keep the spirit of the weapon alive. Sort of compromise between the fully upgraded Hawkmoon and the base one. I would go slightly above base magazine size, but one or two at most, random, high damage bullets in the mag. Anywho, yeah don't do this again in the future Bungie. That being slap the name and skin of an old exotic on to a something that is functionally not even close to the original.

Its the best handcannon in the game..

It’s better than it currently exists in D1. What’s your complaint?

I think its fantastic

I think the changes to the weapon were done pretty well. The power fantasy of Hawkmoon was the 1 shot potential in PVP. Given the removal of RNG based perks, they needed to find a way to keep the power fantasy without it being overpowered. The new version of Hawkmoon provides 1 shot potential by rewarding players for their accuracy instead of by chance. If you were hoping for Luck in the Chamber, you're out of luck.

think about gms where 2 people have this weapon and divinty is on a champion. it would do the job of special weapons and leave you the ability to run other specials