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Nice summary. One random thought I had about the pyramids is this: are they essentially pieces of a larger object that can arrange themselves to take on the shape of a sphere just like the traveler? It would be cool to see something like in Star Trek beyond. The pyramids are drones that can move like a school or fish and come together to make or give the appearance of a larger object.

<~/.-OK, I don't have your script, but I can go off the summary, starting with the presentation. [b]Slide 1[/b] - Concept art is clearly Darkness-related, checks out. [b]Slide 2[/b] - That piece of concept art was the Traveler over a city (not the City, a city). There's no woods, no forest, nothing. That's a metropolis. [b]Slide 3[/b] - I said this earlier, but while the Traveler was on Earth, I don't believe the weapons discharge was its doing, rather Rasputin's in an attempt to combat the Darkness... which obviously failed. [b]Slide 4[/b] - Sanctified Mind time [b]Slide 5[/b] - That is old concept art. Nothing from D1 should be used to reference the Pyramid Armada as it is now since the Darkness was supposed to be what we know now as the Taken originally. Obviously, since The Taken King, things have changed. The Taken are now their own thing and the Pyramids hold a different inhabitant. While that may totally line up with your theory, the race cards are not a good source. [b]Slide 6-8[/b] - Yeah [b]Slide 9[/b] - Also yeah, and looking through them they have names such as "arch". No more info on that as that's all inspect element told me. [b]Slide 10-12[/b] - This is a bit of a stretch, especially looking at the monolithic structure holding up the ball (which is likely a representation of the Traveler). These things don't have a definitive humanoid shape and the asymmetry required to make these connections are nonexistent. Not only that, but they're all the same at different angles. [b]Slide 13[/b] - Might be. I have no doubt that the recent Darkness and Pyramid architecture is inspired by Egyptian architecture or others from more ancient humanity. Hell, look at the labyrinth's in Kolobaev's Darkness art. The "Forerunner" insignia? That's the same thing. The patterns around the Cradle on Io? Same thing. [b]Slide 14[/b] - This is a bit of a stretch. [b]Slide 15[/b] - This is Hive concept art. Looking deep into the archives shows that this was before the Hive were moths, and we know THAT was OLD concept art. This is ANCIENT. And thus, this cannot be what you list it to be here. On top of that, refer to my opinion on D1 concept art above. Now for the videos, as they are as close as I can get to this script. - Once more you derive from ancient sources, ones that no longer hold weight thanks to numerous rewrites and alterations from 2013 to late 2019. The Gardener and Winnower are formless at their core, the latter having a title known as "the Formless One". - The Gardener is typically referred to as a woman, but that doesn't imply that the Winnower is masculine. There's WAY more that implies the Winnower is either simply a "they" (or rather, an "it" due to its... abstract nature and general formlessness) or a she. The latter is further elaborated on in the Beyond Light Collector's Edition. - Your color theory is a stretch regarding the Garden and said D1 concept art. - The events of Fundament prove that the Traveler fought back before the Collapse, and so pushed the Deep and its servants into the core of the gas giants. Though the Traveler never intended to wipe it all out, as it was hinted that the Worms and Darkness caused the Syzygy. It's also hinted by the Worms that the Winnower was actually trapped in Fundament as well. But we agree that the Worms are weak... and so that led me to my theory on the creation of the Pyramids, a story for another time. - We agree on the Traveler vibing. A brutal war between Light and Dark where Light wins and the Dark is imprisoned... and then nothing until the Hive came up. - The Pyramids are definitely sentient, but they are definitely not the same as the Winnower. To say that the Pyramids are the Darkness itself is to ignore context, which you did not ignore. The whole "we" vs "I" thing, y'know. The Pyramids are also definitely ships, which is something people do not grasp. - Nezarec is just that, a myth. No evidence thereof of his existence with the exception of a supposed tomb... and the Drifter could very well be lying. - There is literally nothing that hints that the Traveler arrived here before the Golden Age. There's way more that suggest the DARKNESS was here before anything. Not only did the Winnower and the Pyramid Armada have an intricate knowledge of Sol, but they literally left an artifact in the Moon that had been there since the celestial body formed over 3 billion years ago. - We do not know the full extent to the powers or abilities of the Pyramids. To say that the Awoken encountered the Winnower is to say that the Traveler's sister wasn't as interested in going for the one thing it wants to annihilate, instead going for a group of then-normal people in the Asteroid Belt. The Asteroid Belt, not the edge of the system. - The Traveler didn't actually go straight to Earth. It left Io because it detected the Darkness, and the Seventh Seraph tabs make it a point to say that it went to Titan to confirm that its enemy had arrived. After confirmation, it went to Earth, where it remained. - Rasputin didn't contact the Exodus Green when you said it did. The crew wanted to know if the Traveler had done anything in response to the attack, to which the shipboard AI gave them info. - You ignore that the Pyramids have literally generated monoliths from nothing. While I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff made for their inhabitants, there are things totally built by the ships themselves. - You are correct, there are things within the Pyramids that don't make sense if nothing lived in them. The Lunar Pyramid is derelict, without a doubt. - I think you have things flipped. The K1 Anomaly was there before humanity existed, before life on this planet was even complex. Therefore, it'd be more likely that the Pyramids inspired the Egyptians and other ancient socities. - I'm in agreement with them being human, I'm of the belief that we have a race of abstract entities (what Cayde saw, what Drifter encountered, [maybe] what Ada saw) and the descendants of ancient humanity. However, the Pyramid vessels are separate, creating things for them as they are their inhabitants. Their interest in us now could be chocked up to the wager, but their interest in us before the Collapse is undeniably meaningful of something more. - To specifically target one society of a civilization is really un-Gardener of the Gardener. The Gift Mast, the Ammonites, all were full Golden Ages. Even ours was just that. Not to mention, the Gardener brings hyper-advanced tech, which the Egyptians never had. - Ghosts weren't given to anyone beforehand. The splinters of the Traveler were only made after the Collapse. - The Pyramids won't resurrect anything. To follow the Sword is to let those who cannot uphold existence die, for they are weak. If Nezarec is dead, he is weak and deserved it. It's not that I disagree with your theory (after all, I agree with many aspects on a basic level), that is no real reason to reply twice. What causes me to do this is the repeated contradiction between what you, on one hand, call a theory and, on the other, state as fact. Thanks to the repeated rewrites behind the scenes, the latest of which (to my knowledge) being during -blam!-ing Dawn, we don't know these things as fact, and that's especially the case here. What bothers me is that NO ONE here has achieved a sense of Clarity, not even I, who is damn-near close to indoctrination-levels of obsession. No one knows, and to claim that one does is falsehood. Bungie is ultimately making this up as we go along. Neither the community nor I know for certain that we're eternally, universally right. But we can be nothing except what we are.

[quote]The video is here just in case you want the full context. https://youtu.be/1hZDvFSYzaU This isn't speculation. This isn't theory. Everything I am about to tell you is backed up by in game lore and pictures. It's at the stage now where if I'm wrong Bungie is going against continuity. This is how confident I am. After six months of research I learned the true nature of the race inside the Pyramids, including their origin and motivations. Now I will share this information with you. Before I begin, I want to say that everything is based off of the four videos I have just released on my Youtube channel Venextron. The full information and context is there. I have my 13k word script on Storyfire under my channel Ben Carrick. The opportunity for more than this summary is there if you want it. Some of the pictures that I used in the video about this chapter can be found here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IBHRvgUXWIOxSH3jXUnoSups4BZm40227Z_BKwLBANg/edit#slide=id.p Ok right to the point. The Pyramid Ships are not the Darkness. The Darkness is just energy controlled by the Winnower (full information revealing him and the Gardener on YT and SF). I know the race inside the Pyramids is not the Winnower, because the PP (pyramid people) only speak using plural pronouns (us and we) and the Winnower only speaks using singular pronouns. "She will bow to me." "We are your Salvation." The next piece of evidence is that the the Winnower and P Fleet entered our system during the Collapse at two different times. How do I know this? The lore. Io was the last place the Traveler touched before the Collapse happened, and we know that the Pyramids attacked it on Io. However from the Marasenna lore book we know that when the soon to be Awoken met the Winnower at the edge of the system (stars go black, gravity crazy etc) Rasputin says that the Traveler is on Earth and that heavy weapons are going off. The Pyramids entered the system first, and instead of waiting for the Winnower went straight for the Traveler on Io. They failed and the Traveler bee lined it to Earth. They fought again over the Dark Forest (picture in slides) and the Traveler was damaged but got away. By the time it was where it is now, the Winnower had nuked the colonies and arrived. Together the Winnower and Pyramids overpowered the Traveler. So the Pyramids are not the Darkness. Now I'll tell you what the race inside is. In the slideshow look at the first picture. The architecture shows us that we're dealing with a race that has been in contact with the Traveler, began from something small and over time became what they are now, and that they know what Humans look like from the two female heads in the picture. Ok look at picture 7 on the Slides. As you can see there is a language that is or is inspired by Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics. After much work (I tried to learn the language help me) I did find that some of the symbols matched. Long story short. After researching the picture, the artist, and the lore. It became clear to me that the race was HEAVILY inspired by the Ancient Egyptians. I asked myself this question: "If a Pyramid relic was found during the Golden Age deep within the Moon, and I know that the Pyramids and their technology was not made by the Winnower, but by the race that controls them, then doesn’t that mean that centuries if not thousands of years before the Collapse, this race so inspired by Ancient Egypt was once on the Moon?" There is no other possibility. The race inside the Pyramid Ships were once Human. I know they aren't from another dimension because that is why they want access to the Pyramidion I'm certain. Besides not even the Gardener and Winnower have left our dimension. Now I'll reveal their gods. After like I said six months of research, I found repetitive links to various Egyptian gods. Apophis, Sekhmet, Mot, Set, and Osiris. I was extremely confused at this point, until I then understood the truth that Nezarec represents. "He is that which is an end" and all that ooga booga is waffle, hype man talk. Trust me I do English in college. I can smell a waffle from a continent away. What I did manage to take out of the babble, were key pieces of information. 1. Nezarec is written about as a god. 2. He is dead but can come back. 3. He did something pretty bad. Because it's an ancient Golden Age text, and because there are no religious gods in that universe, he has to be Human. So we have a dude worshiped by other dudes as a god, is dead but can come back to life, and is Human.Tying it in with the fact that the PP are human and have been in contact with the Gardener and the Traveler, the truth is obvious. Nezarec and the other Eldritch gods were the first Human Lightbearers. Please remember I'm skipping so much btw. The vids have it all. The Gardener came to earth 3-5000 years before D1 and gave only the Ancient Egyptians a Golden Age. This was because she was experimenting. Every other kind of Golden Age failed, so she picked a handful of individuals and gave them the Light. These OP people were worshiped as gods, but because Nezarec did a stinky the Gardener ditched them after destroying him. The remaining Lightbearers and their followers united under the god inspired by Apophis and left the system in search of the Gardener. This is why when we had our Golden Age the Gardener didn't reveal herself and didn't communicate at all, she didn't want to be worshiped as fanatically as before. What is my final point in this summary? The Guardian classes (traits, abilities etc) are based off of 3 of the Eldritch Gods, The serpent Apophis for Hunters, the Lion Sekhmet for Titans and the Bird Osiris for Warlocks. If you want the full explanation for why I'm 100% certain of this you know where to look. The Pyramids want the Gardener to bring back Nezarec, why I don't know. But that's why they immediately began their journey here when the Traveler woke up. However they learned their lesson from last time and won't attack the Gardener until the Winnower arrives, so they are simply preparing for Lightfall. (3 years for the Pyramids to arrive, 3 years for the Winnower). Finally I want you to understand that this is why we have Ghosts. We are OP, but can't be guided by the Gardener because of her bet with the Winnower. That being said, the Ghosts are there to keep us in check. 1.We do not have the Light, nor do the Ghosts. They get it from the Traveler and give it to us. 2. If we misbehave badly enough they ditch us (Dredgen Yor). 3. If they Ghost dies we cannot come back to life. This is a failsafe to make sure we are never a constant threat like Nezarec. I know why the Pyramids want us on Europa, I know the truth behind Stasis as well. But this is long enough and I am comfortable with the summary I have given you. I hope you enjoyed it, and share my confidence.[/quote] This is the definitive truth about the pyramids They aren’t real You’ll thank me later

So basically the plot of the Divinity games. I came to this conclusion long ago. Now i'm bored because there's nothing to figure out anymore, I know how the story will end so now all I can do is just watch the events unfold as they do. Like a scripted play. *yawn*

Dude. I watched the video. Mind blown. Thoroughly enjoyed it and found it super interesting!!! I’m no lore expert, but a lot of what you talked about makes sense. Kudos to you for putting the pieces of the puzzle together! Why hasn’t Bungie hired you?

[quote]The video is here just in case you want the full context. https://youtu.be/1hZDvFSYzaU This isn't speculation. This isn't theory. Everything I am about to tell you is backed up by in game lore and pictures. It's at the stage now where if I'm wrong Bungie is going against continuity. This is how confident I am. After six months of research I learned the true nature of the race inside the Pyramids, including their origin and motivations. Now I will share this information with you. Before I begin, I want to say that everything is based off of the four videos I have just released on my Youtube channel Venextron. The full information and context is there. I have my 13k word script on Storyfire under my channel Ben Carrick. The opportunity for more than this summary is there if you want it. Some of the pictures that I used in the video about this chapter can be found here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IBHRvgUXWIOxSH3jXUnoSups4BZm40227Z_BKwLBANg/edit#slide=id.p Ok right to the point. The Pyramid Ships are not the Darkness. The Darkness is just energy controlled by the Winnower (full information revealing him and the Gardener on YT and SF). I know the race inside the Pyramids is not the Winnower, because the PP (pyramid people) only speak using plural pronouns (us and we) and the Winnower only speaks using singular pronouns. "She will bow to me." "We are your Salvation." The next piece of evidence is that the the Winnower and P Fleet entered our system during the Collapse at two different times. How do I know this? The lore. Io was the last place the Traveler touched before the Collapse happened, and we know that the Pyramids attacked it on Io. However from the Marasenna lore book we know that when the soon to be Awoken met the Winnower at the edge of the system (stars go black, gravity crazy etc) Rasputin says that the Traveler is on Earth and that heavy weapons are going off. The Pyramids entered the system first, and instead of waiting for the Winnower went straight for the Traveler on Io. They failed and the Traveler bee lined it to Earth. They fought again over the Dark Forest (picture in slides) and the Traveler was damaged but got away. By the time it was where it is now, the Winnower had nuked the colonies and arrived. Together the Winnower and Pyramids overpowered the Traveler. So the Pyramids are not the Darkness. Now I'll tell you what the race inside is. In the slideshow look at the first picture. The architecture shows us that we're dealing with a race that has been in contact with the Traveler, began from something small and over time became what they are now, and that they know what Humans look like from the two female heads in the picture. Ok look at picture 7 on the Slides. As you can see there is a language that is or is inspired by Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics. After much work (I tried to learn the language help me) I did find that some of the symbols matched. Long story short. After researching the picture, the artist, and the lore. It became clear to me that the race was HEAVILY inspired by the Ancient Egyptians. I asked myself this question: "If a Pyramid relic was found during the Golden Age deep within the Moon, and I know that the Pyramids and their technology was not made by the Winnower, but by the race that controls them, then doesn’t that mean that centuries if not thousands of years before the Collapse, this race so inspired by Ancient Egypt was once on the Moon?" There is no other possibility. The race inside the Pyramid Ships were once Human. I know they aren't from another dimension because that is why they want access to the Pyramidion I'm certain. Besides not even the Gardener and Winnower have left our dimension. Now I'll reveal their gods. After like I said six months of research, I found repetitive links to various Egyptian gods. Apophis, Sekhmet, Mot, Set, and Osiris. I was extremely confused at this point, until I then understood the truth that Nezarec represents. "He is that which is an end" and all that ooga booga is waffle, hype man talk. Trust me I do English in college. I can smell a waffle from a continent away. What I did manage to take out of the babble, were key pieces of information. 1. Nezarec is written about as a god. 2. He is dead but can come back. 3. He did something pretty bad. Because it's an ancient Golden Age text, and because there are no religious gods in that universe, he has to be Human. So we have a dude worshiped by other dudes as a god, is dead but can come back to life, and is Human.Tying it in with the fact that the PP are human and have been in contact with the Gardener and the Traveler, the truth is obvious. Nezarec and the other Eldritch gods were the first Human Lightbearers. Please remember I'm skipping so much btw. The vids have it all. The Gardener came to earth 3-5000 years before D1 and gave only the Ancient Egyptians a Golden Age. This was because she was experimenting. Every other kind of Golden Age failed, so she picked a handful of individuals and gave them the Light. These OP people were worshiped as gods, but because Nezarec did a stinky the Gardener ditched them after destroying him. The remaining Lightbearers and their followers united under the god inspired by Apophis and left the system in search of the Gardener. This is why when we had our Golden Age the Gardener didn't reveal herself and didn't communicate at all, she didn't want to be worshiped as fanatically as before. What is my final point in this summary? The Guardian classes (traits, abilities etc) are based off of 3 of the Eldritch Gods, The serpent Apophis for Hunters, the Lion Sekhmet for Titans and the Bird Osiris for Warlocks. If you want the full explanation for why I'm 100% certain of this you know where to look. The Pyramids want the Gardener to bring back Nezarec, why I don't know. But that's why they immediately began their journey here when the Traveler woke up. However they learned their lesson from last time and won't attack the Gardener until the Winnower arrives, so they are simply preparing for Lightfall. (3 years for the Pyramids to arrive, 3 years for the Winnower). Finally I want you to understand that this is why we have Ghosts. We are OP, but can't be guided by the Gardener because of her bet with the Winnower. That being said, the Ghosts are there to keep us in check. 1.We do not have the Light, nor do the Ghosts. They get it from the Traveler and give it to us. 2. If we misbehave badly enough they ditch us (Dredgen Yor). 3. If they Ghost dies we cannot come back to life. This is a failsafe to make sure we are never a constant threat like Nezarec. I know why the Pyramids want us on Europa, I know the truth behind Stasis as well. But this is long enough and I am comfortable with the summary I have given you. I hope you enjoyed it, and share my confidence.[/quote]me and the boys cringe

Everything is cool and good but the "I know the truth" thing is kinda cringy fam ngl. Good work tho

Wow, that's extremely well made. You should really submit it for #MoTW.

Anyone else start reading this in James Spader’s voice from Stargate? Also this was fun and all but let’s face it. Bungie makes this shit up as they go. If they woke up one day and thought it was a better idea to make the Pyramids piloted by Swiss cheese, they would. Nothing matters in this game, it’s just a bunch of convoluted randomness.

I am going to have to disagree with you. If you remember from Destiny 1 we had motes of light which were spheres, the most complex 3-dimensional object. Motes of dark are tetrahedrons. The simplest 3-dimensional object. The dark and the light are opposites all the way down to their shape. The light comes from the traveler, so it would make sense for the darkness to come from the pyramid ships. The gardener isn't in control and he isn't the source of light, the winnower isn't in control of the darkness either. The winnower is more of an agent to the darkness. No one is in control of the light or dark. They are simply sourced from the traveler and the pyramid ships. The light lives in all places in all things. We overlook this quite a bit. Even an average human has a smidge of light in them. You may remember Dredgen Yor saying to his victims something along the line of, "Your light is pathetic" before dispatching the man who was a normal human. Calus stared into the dark abyss and so the pyramid ships. It stared back. Not the winnower. I rest my case.

Obvi, the pyramids are the forerunner who were ancient humans. The didact (nezeract) tried to kill them to get the mantle from the arc (the traveler from the last city) but the librarian (Gardner) saved them. Ultimately none of them are the flood (darkness). The Spartans (guardians) and monitors (ghosts) are the ones working with cortana (Rasputan) to save modern humanity.

Really needs a TLDR