I'm just looking at the comments and something I find kind of funny is the people that try to justify an erentil nerf but not a shotgun nerf. It's been a shotgun meta for the past year and honestly it gets kind of boring just watching people spam slide to gap close, which makes them harder to kill because they shift their hit box and can still shoot and melee after. I am by no means defending erentil...but the most used special in the game...is the most used special in the game for a reason, which goes to shotguns. The range doesn't even really matter because the ease of use with shotguns is so high that pretty much anybody can pick one up and slay with them. The fact that in their own respective ranges, they can easily secure kills without slowing you down is a big reason as to why shotguns are meta. Erentil, although it is also insanely easy to use, has the deficit of charge time which can be a problem if you get caught off guard. You can get back up plan on it (which is stupid) but at least that cripples it's range a bit because you can no longer use range finder. Again, I am not defending erentil, just using their differences as my argument. One has no charge time and can instantly kill someone at about 8 meters. The other has normal primary ttk charge time but insane range and kill potential. The trade off sometimes don't matter on fusions with precharge being put into play, but that's the same thing people slide with shotguns for. I hope they nerf erentil, but shotguns shouldn't just be left alone due to erentil being the only other special people are killing people easily with. Shotguns were the meta and still are. Toning their kill range down on the high impacts and precision frame shotguns by about half a meter MAX would be fine. I think that the adaptive shotguns (or whatever parcel of stardust is) could use a 0.25 meter range nerf as well. I'm talking overall, not in terms of the range calculations. The shotgun meta has been a long lasting one and honestly a little tone down is needed. I respect that they have low range, but 8 meters is still 8 meters of death and even then about 10 meters is still going to put someone into critical if the pellets spread in the right way, which allows for an easy follow up melee for a kill. I'd like if smgs besides recluse had more breathing room to work with, same with side arms. They practically share the same range and that can be a problem. Even recluse only has about 14.5 meters of range before fall off and that's way below the other primaries (for good reason). Just an observation on the whole thing. Erentil damage needs to be nerfed to about 44 damage and tone down the range. This requires that you hit 5 bolts to kill somebody instead of 4 and a decrease to range will reign their kill range. I think erentil, with as much range and range finder, should still be able to kill at about 25 meters and then need really good recoil control to extend it. 25 meters is also fair given the charge time.

I think they’re all great and shouldn’t be nerfed but I’ll keep laughing in imperial decree. If your boi/gal wants to use erentil, dust rock or minebenders in the crucible more power to them.

They Should delete Titans and Fusions. Game would be balanced . Get rid of Grenade Launchers, Bows, Sub-machine Guns. Games developers to biased toward titans. Braindead 😂

Shotguns aren’t busted. The issue is bungie has only designed mostly CQC maps for d2. I don’t see people aping on widows court in comp. Why? Because you’ll be domed immediately by any decent sniper

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Absolutely. Is anyone else tired of seeing guardians run around the entire match with a shotgun?

Erentil and other high impact fusions are the only ones you see, I'd love if the other archetypes got buffed as well.

No! Only nurf titans

If you're going to nerf erentil, do it right. Bungie has a horrible track record for nuking fusion rifles every chance they get. Range nerf: fine. I want it to still have enough range to live in the same space with max range shotguns though. If the erentil ohko range is 30m, and dust rock is what 8-9m, then erentil should be dropped to maybe 15-20m. Backup plan nerf: fine. Replace it with another perk if you have to.

I'm just gonna point out that Fusion Rifles have been the exact same since D1. What you guys are asking is to nerf Plan C. Because let me tell you if you think Erentil is broken then you obviously haven't been matched against me using Plan C 😂😂😂 The sheep on this forum.

Woooow slow down now son mindbenders come on now leave my shotgun alone

Shotgun Ape Logic: > Shotgun Ape to Fusion User: "OmG FuSionZ TaKe 0 SkilLz To UsE" > 5 seconds later... switches to Fusion and gets destroyed Fusion vs Fusion. > Shotgun Ape to Fusion User: "You only won because Fusions are for noobs and you're a bigger noob than me." The amount of braindead apes who sent me chat invites just to spout this nonsense is too high to count lmao.

Erentil is game breakingly powerful Shotguns are not.

You realize that Erentil can secure a OHK at 30+ meters right? Shotguns have a OHK range of about 7. Even with a nerf, Erentil will still out-range most shotguns so there's no point in nerfing them.

Nah get out with your crutch, shotguns only work in their respective ranges and have RNG, erentil consistently one shots at pulse and sniper range