Your grandparents! [i]*tears up in fear*[/i]

The darkness is a manifestation of our fears, and by that logic, the nightmares are just that. Darkness manifestations of our greatest fears. Maybe not our guardians fears specifically, but humanity’s fears in general. Fears like crota, dominus Ghaul, and the witch omnigul coming back. Everything in the universe must come to a balance, even on the larger scales. The traveler created light manifestations of cayde, ikora, and zavala when we were acquiring the new super abilities in forsaken. While the traveler creates its own dreams; the darkness will create its own nightmares. Perhaps us guardians are the light equivalent of nightmares? Everyone has someone on the other side; just as powerful, just as smart...

Just saying, frikul isn’t dead. It’s cannon that he keeps coming back. He’s more or less a dark guardian. I think it’s more like PTSD. As it is, there’s nightmares missing. Aksis for example was shown in the trailer. Why aren’t we seeing Siviks? Calus even as a robot. Riven. Either bungie missed something or it has to do with ptsd. Yes, it’s a call back to old enemies but adding Frikul means the others should show. Where’s oryx? Uldren? The darkness is picking and choosing what it thinks will make is afraid. The necklace given to eris suggest we can forgive ourselves and the nightmares will go away. We always where pushed to go after our enemies, but our guardian might be unwilling to forgive themselves for it. Frikul went mad trying to save his kind in his own way. Skolas knew we would die by his hand which is later told to us with the lore book. Oryx wanted us to take his throne which we did not do. The darkness effects everyone it touches negatively.

I believe the darkness is not actively trying to kill us, I think it’s goal is to drive us as far away from the light as possible to where the guardians abandon the light, and join the darkness, Bc in the final mission the voice speaks of the light being weak, and leaving guardians when they need it most referencing cayde and the guardians that died from Crota, and even speaking to us in the garden calling themselves our salvation, they are “saving us” from the light, the darkness is trying to pull the guardians away from the light, why they are pulling us away, our guardian is “THE” prized possession, and if it can lure us away, the darkness believes it can then truly destroy the light, just a theory, really enjoyed reading your post

We should have been haunted by a nightmare of cayde... Hugely missed opportunity. I thought I'd try the "new" dlc after not playing in months, it's more of the same, reskin central! Glad I didn't pay for it.

I figured the nightmares are like memories made real, with the overall end goal unknown. Some are just phantoms while others are corporeal. It’s probably just mind games the Pyramid is inflicting on us. Maybe trying to break our will, or get us to abandon the light. Or perhaps just because it is bored and wanted to show us a taste of the power we will be up against. To show us that they too can bring warriors back to fight again. But I don’t think the Pyramid sees us as a threat. It reminds me of Mass Effect and the Reapers. Except seemingly more “magic”. Also the thing they want more than anything else is to destroy the Traveler. It would not surprise me if the Traveler is the last of a race that had the power to spread life and we’re nearing the endgame of some kind of celestial war.

Kell of Rain You make some valid points and i agree that eververse must be removed from this game but, Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.

You thought nightmare’s were souls? Lol they are called “NIGHTMARES” lol.

This is a REALLY well-made theory. I like it a lot. Do more stuff like this; it'll make everyone's day.

That, and If there ever was a Cayde nightmare we’d all just shut the game off crying. Or maybe one of the phantoms next to the fanatic was Cayde?

[quote]What makes a Nightmare[/quote] Cross-saving. /will be here all week //tip your server

[quote]With the release of Shadowkeep, comes the reveal of a Pyramid ship being, and always having been on Luna. Reminds me of something, but I can’t seem to put my orbital Warsat on it. Anyway, this Pyramid ship is the cause of the Nightmare’s sudden appearance in the system, and in doing so, debunking my original theory on the subject. ​ At first, I thought the Nightmares were the souls of those the Guardian slain, escaped through some sort of tear in the Ascendant Realm. It seemed reasonable enough, until I noticed that there was a Nightmare of Fikrul along with all the other revived bosses. Which shouldn’t be possible. Fikrul isn’t dead, he’s an undying entity of Wish magic, his soul is still tethered to a form in the overworld. Theory debunked. Tragic, I know. ​ So that prompts the question, what actually are the Nightmares? My next idea was that they were just mental constructs produced by the Pyramid Ship. After going through the campaign, Eris mentions that the Phantoms of her Fireteam are tormenting her, with a malice they didn’t have when they were alive, and that they aren’t her real team. The most damning evidence that the Nightmares aren’t the real deal is the fact that a Phantom of Toland appears before Eris, despite the fact that the real soul of the Shattered One can be found in a sector over from the Sanctuary. ​ Perhaps the Pyramid has a cognitive parasitic capability? And the Nightmares are just projections based on deep seeded griefs and fears of those is proximity of the Ship’s effect. This would coincide with the fact that the Pyramid seems to be emitting some sort of smoke into the environment which could be the source of the Nightmares, as well as the Ship’s ability to mimic and puppet beings of the Light, as seen with its possession of the Ghost and it’s doppelgänger of the Guardian in the Garden vision. ​ However, there’s an rather large issue with this idea of Psyche-based Nightmares. That being, if they’re produced solely by the Pyramid to torment Lightbearers, why wasn’t a Phantom of Cayde manifested? We saw just how close he and the Guardian were during the events of Forsaken, and their relationship was relevant enough that the Pyramid brought him up when possessing the Ghost. He’d be the prime candidate for tormenting the Young Wolf, and yet, he remains unseen. Why? Because Cayde didn’t die on the Moon. Whatever the Nightmares are, they require some localized component to be produced. ​ The first thing I hear you saying is that if there’s a local factor to the creation of Nightmares, how is Fikrul or Ghaul or any of the other Bosses who didn’t die on Luna manifesting there? Simple, they’re being channeled there through the Guardian. All the Nightmare Bosses are former conquests slain by the Guardian, meaning that they’ve been bound through death. Like a sword bridging wielder to victim. The secret ingredient for Nightmares is Killing Logic. Even the disparity between Enemy Nightmares and Guardian Phantoms supports this idea. While the Nightmares exhibit fully detailed physicality, perfectly replicating their living forms, the Phantoms are vague red amalgamations of smoke. This is because Guardian’s don’t use killing logic, so the one that the Young Wolf killed would have more logical essence to be made out of. The Phantoms, however, were subjected to one of the most ferocious maws the Universe has ever seen, hungering for their Kill Logic. They’re like husks, barley manifesting with what’s left of them. ​ This is why Fikrul can have a Nightmare form while still technically being alive, because the Guardian actually killed him, and took his Killing Logic with them. Or why Toland can have a Phantom practically next door to his Wandering Blight form (Which while we’re on the subject, its strange that Toland is out of the Ascendant Realm, right? Its not just me that thinks a form as incorporeal as his can only survive in a place as abstract as the Sword Realm, right? Maybe the Moon’s got a Dreaming City situation going on. Questions for later, though). Toland died in the Hellmouth and the Guardian brought the Bosses Killing Logic to the Moon, but Cayde? His Logic was taken by the Mindbender. Its nowhere near Luna. ​ So, in short terms, the Pyramid takes Killing Logic and morphs it into a replica of what it was sourced from. While Killing Logic from Guardians was taken and placed in the grand Hive tithe and fed to Worms, leaving them only to manifest as Phantoms, Killing Logic from Bosses and their Rank-and-File are still bountiful enough to make a full fledged Nightmare due to the fact that Guardians don’t use Killing Logic. The Pyramid then uses these replicas as puppets to torment and kill Lightbearers on Luna. To what ends is still unclear. All in all, not too far off from my original theory. Perhaps that’s me just not wanting to let go of my original thoughts. Or maybe there’s some truth to it. ​ Regardless, supposing that this theory has some validity to it, it still comes nowhere close to uncovering the enigma that are the Nightmares or the Pyramids/Veiled as a whole. Their observable behavior alone brings up a whole new slew of questions. Why are there Nightmares and Phantoms on planetoids nowhere near Luna, such as Io or Nessus? And why do Fallen, Cabal and Vex Nightmares interact with their respected factions as if they’re normal allies? Servitors will even shield Nightmares like they’re apart of their crew. Everything about them is strange. Clearly a hostile factions, but… they aren’t as ferocious and volatile as the Taken. There’s an elegance to them, one that can blend back in with the enemies they’ve been replicated from. Any thoughts? I haven’t gotten to the new Lore cards, so is there any major oversight I missed?[/quote] Yea, space magic.