From what small section of the speech I saw, I have to say he's doing his best not to take sides. It doesn't matter of course, he'll be attacked for it anyway. What he was trying to do is bring up the positive points, like how law enforcement and the national guard are doing their best to try and calm it down.
The problem is, if he takes the side of the left, he is taking sides with the ANTIFA, BLM domestic terrorists currently there. As a result he would lose support from his own supporters in return for maybe a quiet "thanks" or just the normal "-blam!- you Trump!" from the left.
If he calls out ANTIFA and the other counter-protesters, it's seen as support for the other horrid side (the neo-nаzis) and then have the rest of the country attack anyway
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[quote]From what small section of the speech I saw, I have to say he's doing his best not to take sides. It doesn't matter of course, he'll be attacked for it anyway. What he was trying to do is bring up the positive points, like how law enforcement and the national guard are doing their best to try and calm it down. The problem is, if he takes the side of the left, he is taking sides with the ANTIFA, BLM domestic terrorists currently there. As a result he would lose support from his own supporters in return for maybe a quiet "thanks" or just the normal "-blam!- you Trump!" from the left. If he calls out ANTIFA and the other counter-protesters, it's seen as support for the other horrid side (the neo-nаzis) and then have the rest of the country attack anyway[/quote]
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Most people don't know that the protest was planned months in advance and was perfectly peaceful until an opposing factions showed up to try to shut it down as usual. Many people even think that it was some sort of [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url], Confederate, KKK specific organization (which still wouldn't give the anti-free speech crew the right to attack them for protesting) instead of just a giant crew of every person who opposed the statue being taken down. Unfortunately there's few people who have the presence of mind to look into what they talk about, so they wind up spouting some fictional story about a violent [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] riot that was valiantly challenged by peaceful protestors and then the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] started attacking them.
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I know the counter protesters were wrong however the other side is just as horrible. Neo-[url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] and the KKK are not good people, I don't condone them. BUT the counter-protesters are attacking, like you said, a planned out protest that was supposed to be peaceful. Like I said both sides are horrible, and the city is doomed for now
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There are literally people carrying [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] flags and making [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] salutes. Okay. I don't know how a deplorable piece of shit like yourself hasn't been perma banned off these forums by now.
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Yes and they are a subsection of that entire group I described. To call the protest today any kind of [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] protest is to categorize everyone there as [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url], which is simply incorrect and propaganda designed to pigeonhole anyone who opposes the statue being taken down as a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. Furthermore, the fact that they are Neo-[url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] doesn't actually give anyone the right to attack them and violate their freedom of assembly and speech.
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"Oh the poor [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]'s are under attack. They didn't start it! They were being peaceful!" You sound like -blam!-ing [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] sympathizer. The act of being a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] is an announcement of violent intent. There is no "peace" with [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. And btw I am categorizing everyone partaking in the protest on the side of the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. Are you a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] lover too?
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Edited by Vox Mortuis: 8/13/2017 11:24:29 AMSo what you're saying is it's ok to openly attack people you disagree with? And also by your lumping of everyone on one side as a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url], the same could be applied to the other side, they must all be communists and cop killers huh? Also by generalizing one group as violent just because of what they associate with, wouldn't all blm members be classified as violent too? They have openly chanted and called for the killing of cops and white people.
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"Just because they're [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] doesn't mean they're violent! We have to assume they are peaceful [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]!" Oh and this comparisons of other groups to [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] or the KKK. How -blam!-ing ignorant and history do you have to be? Yes because let's all remember that time BLM blew up a church and killed a bunch of kids. Or that time BLM kidnapped a judge and tortured him to death. Or all those people BLM abducted and hung from trees. Oh yes that's right. So the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] mass murdered millions of people. "B-B-But BLM!" Are you a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] sympathizer? You come across as one.
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Nope, I'm not a sympathizer. I believe everyone has rights. Also, I'm not comparing the groups throughout history, as that would be stupid. I'm comparing the groups as they currently are, and blm is much more violent then the kkk are currently.
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So you're basically admitting your ignorant of history. You should really take a look in mirror and ask why when faced with criticism of Nazism you immediately jump to "but both sides" Let me repeat that. You see [i]Nazism[/i] and are blabbering about "but both sides!"
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Not ignorant at all. Just the fact that said group is not actively violent curremtly, while another group is currently violent.
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Edited by Vgnut: 8/13/2017 8:45:11 PMYeah the KKK today is real chill. Look at how every time you instinctively make excuses for KKK and [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] groups. "Yes the KKK is extremely violent, bombed buildings, committed acts of terrorism, tortured and murdered. But they're different today!" You're a sympathizer. You can't outright condemn evil. Pathetic. Instead it's BS like BLM, Clinton, some left wing conspiracy with all you extremist sympathizers. You are incapable of looking at a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] or KKK member and just responding "That's disgusting. These are evil groups and should be outright condemned."
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Edited by Vox Mortuis: 8/14/2017 5:55:19 AMNope not a symlathizer. But I guess if I'm a kkk sympathizer, that makes you a blm sympathizer huh? Also, yes, kkk are evil, they should be condemned, as should blm and antifa.
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I continue to be dumbfounded that an amorphous group of [i]anti-fascists[/i] and Black Lives Matter continue to be compared with the KKK. It is pathetic, it is shameful, it is ignorant, and most heinous of all it downplays and looks to normalize the decades long history of terrorist attacks, murders, brutal torture, and killing of children committed by the KKK. Anyone that responds with a "what about-ism" in the face of [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]-KKK fascist groups has some serious reflecting they need to do.
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At this point I could call YOUR side neo-chekas, because that's what they are. Not everyone there is a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] so claiming they are is ignorant. On top of that, everyone has the right to free speech regardless of political opinions. By your own logic, you and your party, which spews hate towards people who aren't [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] and are simply conservative, you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. It's all or nothing, Cheka
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Sorry, speech and ideas aren't violence and can't be met with violence in a civilized society. [quote]And btw I am categorizing everyone partaking in the protest on the side of the -godwinslaw!- a -godwinslaw!-.[/quote]So why aren't you categorizing everyone partaking in the protest on the side of peaceful opposition to the removal of a historical site in the town a peaceful opponent to the removal of a historical site in the town then? Seems like some conveniently inconsistent logic and categorization among properties. You don't seem to understand that all cats are mammals but not all mammals are cats. Now you're simply using the propaganda tactic of dehumanizing your opposition and categorizing anyone who disagrees with you as part of a disposable group so that you don't have to listen to their arguments against you and can instead try to make sure they can't make those arguments. You believe that if you can call everyone who protested the removal of the statue a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] it will somehow render their arguments and ideas invalid and absolve you of having to make an argument and use ration and reasoning yourself. I'm afraid that it's just such an old and tired tactic that it really does fly anymore. I frankly don't care if there were Klan members, Neo-[url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url], and Confederate LARPers in the original protest crowd. They organized a legal and peaceful protest and then were attempted to be silenced and attacked. That's simply unacceptable. There is a great picture of a black officer standing along the border of tape sectioning off the protest area, with Confederate flags and some people [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] saluting behind him as he stands guard. I have more respect for that man doing his job to protect even speech that spouts hate towards him than I certainly do for you, because he understands that the ability to voice ideas unmolested is the foundation of America and chooses to protect the right to freedom of speech even if it is against him. It basically sums up the difference between true Liberals, and the slimy, fascistic communist maniacs who attempt to stop Americans from having their ability to speak dangerously. Check yourself, essentially.
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Speech is speech and violence is violence.
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You've been indoctrinated very well, I applaud those responsible.
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"Take sides" Go -blam!- yourself. There's the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] protesters and the people rallying against [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url].
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Edited by TadPaul01: 8/13/2017 12:38:07 AMThere are [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url], normal people protesting destruction of heritage and other conservatives on one side. Don't get me wrong, [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] are horrible people but not everyone there is a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. On the other side there are domestic terrorists, more domestic terrorists, and LGBT people. Your statement here is so utterly horrible and ignorant. If you don't want a civil argument then don't say shit, because you're clearly not smart enough to say anything intelligently.
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Edited by Bieltan: 8/13/2017 11:54:14 AM[quote]On the other side there are domestic terrorists, more domestic terrorists, and LGBT people.[/quote] Yep. Thats why they plowed a car into a huge crowd of people with the clear intent of murdering as many people as possible. Thats why there have been mass shootings inside Churches, Mosques and at a [i]childrens camp.[/i] Literally gunned down scores of [i]children.[/i] Such peaceful N@zis, just ignore their horrific bodycount. The people who actually stand up to them are the Terrorists! Smh 😑
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Edited by TadPaul01: 8/13/2017 2:40:00 PM[quote][quote]On the other side there are domestic terrorists, more domestic terrorists, and LGBT people.[/quote] Yep. Thats why they plowed a car into a huge crowd of people with the clear intent of murdering as many people as possible. Thats why there have been mass shootings inside Churches, Mosques and at a [i]childrens camp.[/i] Literally gunned down scores of [i]children.[/i] Such peaceful N@zis, just ignore their horrific bodycount. The people who actually stand up to them are the Terrorists! Smh 😑[/quote] It's funny because in the first case there it's just as likely he was a BernieBro as he was a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. He saw signs and angry people attacking his car, so he did what he did. Don't think you remember the shooting of the senator during the baseball game. Or you know, since your people seem to love them so much, the countless terror attacks by Islamics. Or you know, how an anti-cop BLM idiot shot 11+ police officers in Texas last year. Or how ANTIFA continues to cause millions in property damage simply because they can in the name of Antifascism. Or maybe how BLM levels their own cities every time a police shooting comes up, but refuses to actually help each other out of said ghettoes in the first place. Bit hypocritical of you to call out a small minority, and one that I said I didn't condone, nor does the rest of the right. But because your side HAS T be a noble cause, EVERYONE that doesn't agree with you is a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] and therefore evil. Even if they're normal people protesting removal of heritage and American history.
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Edited by Bieltan: 8/13/2017 4:52:43 PM[quote][quote][quote]On the other side there are domestic terrorists, more domestic terrorists, and LGBT people.[/quote] Yep. Thats why they plowed a car into a huge crowd of people with the clear intent of murdering as many people as possible. Thats why there have been mass shootings inside Churches, Mosques and at a [i]childrens camp.[/i] Literally gunned down scores of [i]children.[/i] Such peaceful N@zis, just ignore their horrific bodycount. The people who actually stand up to them are the Terrorists! Smh 😑[/quote] It's funny because in the first case there it's just as likely he was a BernieBro as he was a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url]. He saw signs and angry people attacking his car, so he did what he did. Don't think you remember the shooting of the senator during the baseball game. Or you know, since your people seem to love them so much, the countless terror attacks by Islamics. Or you know, how an anti-cop BLM idiot shot 11+ police officers in Texas last year. Or how ANTIFA continues to cause millions in property damage simply because they can in the name of Antifascism. Or maybe how BLM levels their own cities every time a police shooting comes up, but refuses to actually help each other out of said ghettoes in the first place. Bit hypocritical of you to call out a small minority, and one that I said I didn't condone, nor does the rest of the right. But because your side HAS T be a noble cause, EVERYONE that doesn't agree with you is a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] and therefore evil. Even if they're normal people protesting removal of heritage and American history.[/quote] And I called out every single one of those incidents. Meanwhile, there you are putting words in my mouth that I didnt say. You've had some heated exchanges here so I'll let you off that one. I'm not talking about people who disagree with me. I'm talking about the fact that Neo-N@zi groups have been racking up a [i]significant[/i] bodycount, finally showed themselves for what they were and all you can do is whinge about the backlash their antics have brought about, instead of addressing the root problem.
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And yet your groups cost people their lives indirectly as well. Like I said, I know those assholes start shit and I hate them for it. But there's no need to escalate the situation by showing up to fight. That would've saved the 2 people there that died. On top of that, those guys are already insane with hatred. They were open carrying guns at that rally too. It's no longer brave, to stand up and fight, especially if they're going to disperse anyway, it's stupid. More lives will be lost that way. I'm not saying there's nothing we can do, but the problem is fighting back the way ANTIFA and BLM wants to creates more problems. If the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] get out of hand, law enforcement and the national guard will deal with it. No need to be a vigilante and risk your own life against a party whom everyone hates and has no political power anyway
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[quote]has no political power anyway[/quote] Not entirely true.