no one will take Destiny pvp seriously unless dedicated servers are implemented.

I hope this help people understand dedicated servers. "The cost can vary a lot, and it also depends on how it's done. If you host the servers "in house," then you're responsible for buying and maintaining the machines. That means hardware, backbone connections, bandwidth, support team, repair costs, electricity, etc. There's also the matter of having multiple connections to internet providers (we're talking backbone providers like Level 3 and Cogent, not last-mile providers like Comcast or Time Warner) in case one of them goes out or a line gets cut. Backup power in case of public power loss. And multiple physical locations around the globe to host local servers so everyone can play with a reasonable ping. Then there's the option of paying someone else to manage all of that and just rent a group of servers from various locations. I rent a cheap server from a colocation facility (~USD$66/month, paid annually), and I can host three maybe four copies of a Killing Floor server on it. Depending on how a game and server is made, a single machine could host many more. Thus, renting a quality server costs a thousand a year or more, depending on the quality of the server. And usually has a "startup cost" because they have to buy the hardware and don't want you renting it for one month and dropping it, sticking them with the hardware cost. Let's say a USD$1500/year server can host 12 copies of a game server. Steam Stats http://store.steampowered.com/stats says there are about 7000 people playing Evolve right now. Five players a game, that's 1400 copies that need hosting. 12 copies per machine, that's about 115 servers. At L$1500/yr, that's $172,500 per year. Plus any fees (generally several hundred each) for renting a new server. And it's likely they need to keep more than that available so people can still play at peak hours, even though in the off hours and a month from now that number of servers required is gonna go down. It's likely if you're renting that many servers you can get some sort of deal from the colocation agency. But still, it's a lot of money. This is why several games take the "free dedicated server" approach. Anyone can download the dedicated server code -- it doesn't have any game assets like sounds, models, etc included anyway -- and then host the game themselves. Killing Floor right now has thousands of servers online, none of them (or maybe just a couple? I dunno) hosted by Tripwire. It also has the ability to do a "listen server," so someone can start up their own local server that only runs while they're playing the game. Anyway, a more reasonable development solution, because it takes less development time and is compatible with consoles, is to have ONLY listen servers, and then only maintain a "master server" that helps point people trying to join at the people hosting. Which is why you see that a whole lot more lately than things like dedicated servers. Having a developer or more likely a development team build and maintain a dedicated server package for a game costs time and money to create and is then given away for free. In this age of DLC, it can be hard for corporate to see the logic in that."

Where did you see they grossed 6B?

What, you expect dedicated servers because you all cried about it in D1? Perhaps they chose not to do it because they do not want you negative people playing their games? Hahaha, just kidding, it's actually really expensive to run dedicated servers and perhaps, if you all just buy the game at launch, they might be able to cover the costs for three years and have them installed.

There's no excuse for not having private matches at launch.

It is minor with 4v4 game modes and makes no difference in pve. Hate to say but pc is the place to play for competitive gameplay.

Why can't you stop complaining? Why can't anyone stop complaining? Jesus christ, you act like dedicated servers and 60FPS are required. That's a luxury. I haven't seen anyone who says "60FpS In 2017 iS a MuSt! AnD WHy doN't WE haVe DeDIcatEd seRVErs?!" mention a console shooter that is 60. I'd assume some actual rehashed content like Call of Duty is on said list, but Destiny is a different and much larger game than Call of Duty.

Its hilarious when people complain about things they know nothing about

They only care about money , bungie know people would still buy their game even if it shipped with 1 gun and 1 planet .. #brainwashed

And no 60fps, what a joke