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Edited by Metal Head GT:
11/3/2016 9:10:11 PM
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Unpopular Opinion: K/D Doesn't Matter
Why is it that every time someone's skill comes into question, the first thing I hear from someone is "Your crucible K/D sucks, so you suck"? Seriously, I heard someone say that to someone else in WotM the other day. Totally unrealated to the current situation.
EDIT: People were missing the point of the second paragraph and it was kind of porly written on my part, so I'm modifying it.
Basically:
There are people who don't really try in PVP that are good at PVE, and there are people who wreck in PVP that can't seem to grasp raids. So don't base your judgements of one on the other.
EDIT 2: Something I forgot to bring to light before despite being the primary reason my own K/D is lower than it ought to be (Thanks to BrassedoffDan for reminding me)-
You can easily get a good K/D by being in the back the whole game. But some of us aren't sissies. Some of us are AGGRESSIVE. We're going to break their lines, grab those crests, cap that Bravo objective, dunk that rift, or just straight up disrupt the enemy by any means necessary, and take down as many enemies as we can in the process! If being that shift in momentum and topping the team comes at the cost of a few more deaths, so be it. Guardians are immortal after all.
EDIT 3: There are three other K/D-affecting things I should mention.
1. Unbalanced teams- you know the games. Where you end up against a full team and your team is getting repeatedy wiped by teamshotting, pack memtality grenade spam, and super chains. One game wouldn't be so bad, but there are days when you need to get something done and you're just getting steamrolled every game. Speaking of which-
2. Bounty/quest grinding- Good example: When you really just want to get the thorn quest over with, mayhem isn't up, and all you have is a shotgun and a few smoke bombs.
3. Just generally not trying all the time- Maybe you are grinding the crucible while watching a funny youtube video snapped. Maybe you like to play drunk every once in a while. Maybe you're too tired to do good, but too awake to go asleep. Plenty more examples, I'm sure.
EDIT:
4. Dropping in mid match on a losing team and getting repeatedly slain by supers and heavy. Thanks Scrubbiest Scrub
Also, TexasJedi_705 pointed out this relevant and pretty funny video by Badass Gaming: [url=http://youtu.be/H1c9HxtwNsU]link[/url]
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Elo is what matters
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I've changed my stance on this in the last few days, I think kd matters to an extent now. No kd does not determine skill it more represents your play style. I'd say kd/a matters much more than kd. Assists mean you and your team are working together which leads to more wins. Teamwork is more important than kd. If you have a high kd that doesn't mean your better than anyone else, you could sit back and camp, and just cherry pick easy kills. That doesn't make you skilled
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3 RepliesK/D doesn't matter too much in Destiny. But the thing is, if you have [i]below[/i] the average K/D, I think you're trash. It's [i]NOT[/i] hard to have a positive K/D. Mine isn't anything too special, but it's above average. I know what's OP in Crucible and I know my strengths and weaknesses. People with bad K/Ds aren't necessarily bad players 24/7, but it means they have bad games more often than not. K/D is typically an indicator of who knows what they're doing. If you have a 0.6 K/D and you're trying to say what's OP in the crucible, I would have a harder time believing you than if someone with a 1.2 K/D said so. Players with higher K/Ds probably abuse the meta more often anyways, and players with low K/Ds more often than not are PvE players.
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1 ReplyWhole thing about "being aggressive" Congrats, you go 20 kills... but you fed them 30 deaths which in turn, fed them far more points then what you obtained (in many cases) Rift is a great example. So often, a very very low k/d will be top of the leader board because they repeatedly kept grabbing the objective. It does not mean that person did well or even really helped the team. In fact, by dying while carrying, your feeding your opponents tons of points. In most game modes, feeding your opponents free kills while playing "objectively" results in a loss. Control is another great example. Negative k/d hurts your team. Regardless of how many points are currently captured. Additionally, by dying repeatedly, you feed your opponents supers, which in games like supremacy where each kill is potentially 2 points, is game changing. There are multiple individuals who play objective and remain positive. But done try to find excuses for a negative k/d... My titan is currently negative. It was because I suck ed with him. Not because it was a new class.to.me, not because I played objective, not because of lag. But because I sucked. Now I'm slowly getting better. If your going to play objective, play smart. If you get a crappie tewm, play smart.
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1 ReplyEdited by UMBRALHUNHOW: 11/5/2016 12:47:33 AMEvery other stat in destiny can be farmed or boosted. That's why. Kd is the only stat that actually matters. People who play smart and hang back are using a tactic. They win more than you. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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1 ReplyK/D can be an indicator of ability. But people who are concerned with it are usually too much of a liability when the shit really hits the fan. There is no room for risky maneuvers, no justification for anything that can cause you to get a lower k/D. Not to mention how many people have just grown out of having any f*cks to give about stats in a virtual space. When I pick up heavy in trials and don't get to shoot it i will ricochet suicide to break up the seriousness. Sleeper ftw. Tldr; laughing > K/D
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In an unbalanced combat system there will always be cannon fodder. These pieces having a higher k/d within a type places a distinction between good rushing players and those who need change. Going about it by attacking players favoring a k/d positive doesn't enforce your tie as a "grunt" who is worth keeping around. Just point out k/d is determined by team coordination. A mlg player with noobs has higher d/k in certain types of setting often. "My k/d is a number based on stats of team record. If you want to honestly judge k/d we have to play together to assess our team."
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#allstatsmatter
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Your K/D doesn't matter. There are people who only play sweats and before private matches the sweat games influenced your stats. You're not going to get a 2.0+ K/D in a sweat unless you're playing against a team who isn't anywhere near as good as you are. Now with skill based matchmaking and crucible feeling fixed you're not going to keep your K/D high. Having a high K/D doesn't mean you're good it just means you get lucky and constantly face people nowhere near your skill level and you pad your stats by stomping them into the ground.
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182 RepliesI never put a lot of stock in stats. Sure, you can look at something like K/D and get a general idea of a player's skill, but this can often be misleading as well. My advice is don't worry about your stats and try to continue improving as a player.
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I maintain a 1.0 with a gunslinger, I haven't used a shotgun on a regular basis in about half a year, I never use sniper rifles, mida or any of the so called meta weapons..I sometimes wonder what my kd would be if I was a shotgun sliding mida strappin stormcaller like a lot of the guardians I go up against..
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Edited by Capt Amazing: 11/4/2016 4:54:57 PMK/D doesn't matter up to a certain point. It's like the whole "strength vs technique" in martial arts. There is a point where K/D does and doesn't matter and if someone is far better at winning 1v1, 1v2 engagements, they will dominate. IMO, if your trials fireteam is 1.40 K/D @ 1900 ELO players and you come up aganist a team with 1 guy that's 3.2 K/D and 2700 elo and the rest are under 0.7 KD and have 850 Elo, I'm banking on your fireteam because you guys have more potential at teamwork and probably have many trials experience. "You can't carry garbage". On the other hand, if the 1.4 KD @ 1900 Elo players come up aganist BSK top 3 players, I can't just say "it's anyone's game" because statistically speaking....you are going to lose.
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The fact a trade k.d. gets respect in this community proves k.d. means nothing. Bungie has been called out for making algorithms that make you lose about half your crucible games. Articles are floating around about it and bungie hasnt said a word for or against the claim.
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My K/D doesn't matter. I just enjoy playing and getting better. I sucked so bad in year one and a matter of fact I barely even played. But I was so blessed that I met some great players that taught me a lot. The one major tip is still use to this day is find a wingman and stick with them. If a team game mode is going on and a Lone Ranger player strays away from the group I back that Guardian up. Two is I know the first 2-4 games are going to be cold ones. (For me at least) and next is I use certain weapons on certain maps and game types. I also balance that with what other Guardians are using. If I see allot of shotguns then I pack me a sidearm with an AR with HC rounds. If I see snipers galore, then I use AR with high magazine and or fast firing scout with explosive rounds with a fast firing shotgun. I am such a friend to the randomns fireteam. Soon we all get on the same page and we start kicking butt.
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I wasn't as good back in tbd or HOW so my kd isn't as high as it ought to be, but whatever stats don't always matter. I play with randoms to go flawless all the time and We kill people who have 1.8+ kds. To anyone that does have trouble going flawless I will be more than happy to carry you to the lighthouse! Just pm me!
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5 RepliesELO and K/D don't matter... Most of year one (until mid dark below) I was awful at PVP and played it alot so naturally when i got better it was extremely difficult to bring up just before ROI dropped i bared hit 1.0 and has had a steady increase since... But i still go flalwess 3 times a week and sometimes more... just a case of a rought start
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1 Reply4. Dropping into games mid match. As your flying in, you hear Shaxx say, "Heavy ammo inbound." You land, take two steps and get blown up by a rocket. Spawn, get killed by a super. Spawn, get mowed down with a machine gun.
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5 RepliesWinning matches > K/D.
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Recent K/D is important as it shows your current skill while overall K/D is inaccurate. For instance my last 10 crucible games and going back a few more I get an average 2.2-3 K/D maybe higher or lower. My recent K/D top 1%, overall 11% old stars hold you down. Check recent statistics before you say something.
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Can't really rely on k/d with a game like destiny. Take away the special weapon and most players are stuck.
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26 RepliesImho if you don't have a 1.0+, you literally have no say in crucible related discussion. Bungee should have an "Pvp elite" forum that only 2.0 kdr+ players can access. I agree KdR doesn't matter so much, but that's mainly because all of destinys top players have bad kDRs. Reason being- before private matches came out we played for 3 years on matchmaking doing sweats, which ruined our KDRs. I had a 5.1 KDR and was #7 in the world at one point and now have like a 2.5 or something bad compared to what it was just because I hated matchmaking and only played tournaments and sweats. This is why I don't think KDR matters but if you have a 1.5+ you're probably decent. Not competitively good, but good. If you only pubstomp then KDR means something completely different.
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1 ReplyI think KD might matter if you're in tournaments or something to that effect. But I play this game for fun which generally means I try to pull things off that are high on the fun scale but low on the survivability scale. I could play super conservatively to almost insure that I come out with a positive KD but it's just too damn fun to play how I want.
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2 RepliesEdited by Jy-Seven: 11/3/2016 11:41:54 AMdestiny is my first fps game, was mostly into racing and fighting games etc. only had wii and ps1 back in the day. it could've been cod but glad i chose destiny. i was crap when i first started in crucible the days of 0.1 kd after the game some even 0.0 as i got better game modes like control or rift, I would play to win the game sacrificing myself or rushing in to cap zone or get the spark having fun didn't know what k/d meant lol Now im wiser at times still have my moments of rushing to the enemy to help my team just to supered or keep dying. Now I'm in the top 1% [spoiler]of suicides [/spoiler]
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In my opinion K/D does matter! I'm a year 1 player, and was terrible at PVP until I recently started playing with some friends who are extremely competitive. They all have K/D's ranging from 1.5-2.5 which means when I play with them, I'm matched against top tier competition. I will say there is a huge difference! It wasn't until this year that I realized the matchmaking system actually works. For example, when I play by myself I wreck, and am always top three every match. Playing with my friends is a totally different story. I'm usually able to hang, but sometimes I get smacked due to the higher level of competition. Overall, I respect players with higher KD's, as they are playing amongst the elite within Destiny based on the matchmaking system. Note: My KD sucks at the moment, but that's because I was getting destroyed when I first started playing with my online friends. I now consider myself a decent player and manage to go flawless at least once or twice a week.
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5 RepliesI'll tell you why my kd specifically doesn't matter. Destiny is my first serious shooter. And I've played crucible non stop since it came out. Back in year one, I was happy if I got 10 kills no matter what my KD is. But in that time I've averaged enough abysmal KD games that no matter how well I do now, I will forever be below 1.0. Which is why I created a second hunter. To see what my real KD is.
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It only matters if you need to make "friends" who want to play trails. I've asked so many times and I get blown off because everyone has a friend with a higher KD than me lol
