PvP has, once again, ruined another update. To balance PvP, you unbalance PvE. You punish people for using the very things you create for them to use. If people want to use something let them use it the way they want. Video games are supposed to be fun: In this video game when you make something weaker it is not as fun. It's more fun to be strong, that's just the way it is, at least in destiny. Instead of bringing classes down to a level, try making the underpowered classes stronger and thereby more fun to play with. Also if something is the way is it's because that's its nature. It's the nature of a hunter to be fast and agile, it's the nature of a warlock to be powerful, it's the nature of a Titan to be physically stronger. That's the way you created these classes. Same goes for guns. You are punishing players because they use the full potential of each class according to its nature. Your reasoning for not separating the mechanics of the two game modes is also, I believe, illogical. PvE IS different from PvP. When you make a change in one it affects the other that's just the way it is. There can never be true balance between these two modes because they are different. Every time you try to balance one you unbalance the other. These two game modes need to be separated because they are different. Keep the basic mechanics the same in both modes, just alter the power output. You already alter our health and damage output on weapons so it shouldn't be that hard to alter the power output of classes. If you want to make supers weaker in PVP then do so, but make it to where it doesn't affect PvE. We actually need that power in PvE. You said that you want us to be able to have the same muscle memory for all gameplay, altering length and power output for just one mode will not affect us that much. We will adapt. PvP is already a different experience in gameplay, a little adaptation to switching between power differences shouldn't be that hard for us to get used to. PvE IS the game. PvP is an additional game mode. An extra mode. The main part of destiny is playing the actual game, not against other players. PvP, more specifically PvPers, destroy games. Saving the Galaxy through strikes, night falls, raids, story's, etc. That's the game. Yet you listen only to the PvPers. You alter the gameplay for PvP. You NERF and buff for PvP. Again, for the most part you listen only to PvPers. I wrote this in anger so I know that I probably didn't think everything through properly, but I believe that most of it rings true for many of us. I will update destiny when it comes and test out the changes. If warlock is as useless as Titans are now then I will quit. Not that anyone cares, but BUNGIE, you ought to care. Because I really like destiny. But if it's no longer any fun. I will move on. Guardian Out.