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10/30/2015 10:41:07 PM
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This meta is the worst to date
Comparing the current meta to all, going back until the beta of the game.
The pulse rifle game is incredibly stale already, hand cannons are horrible, autorifles are unable to keep up with pulse rifles, and scout rifles? they are usable in the ranges that pulse rifles can't achieve... Where the 1000 yard stare dominates.
Has anyone noticed how easy It is to use that sniper?
It seems like Bungie hasn't got the faintest clue about how to truly balance their game as it's always that one overpowered archetype replaces the other one that gets nefed into oblivion.
It took autorifles a year to return into the usable category.
This game needs a fix or am I wrong?
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25 RepliesI'd say it's the best meta. Still needs minor changes though. Pulses need stability nerfed, raid pulse is great and balanced because it destroys you but only at certain ranges. Try using it a long range and you hit 1/3 bullets. But then Nirwen's mercy has scout rifle range only because it's stability is god like. Scouts are balanced Auto's damage falloff seems a bit too close. They quickly become useless outside of a range. Almost in that sweet spot like scouts are though, working well in 1 range but being sub-par at all other ranges. HC's need a stability buff and very slight range buff. Legendary HC's were always outclassed by legendary pulses back in the Thorn meta, only the exotic HC's were OP. The nerf put them into trash tier. I don't remember the last time I was killed by any other HC other than Last Word and Hawkmoon. Snipers need their aim assist toned way down. I use a high aim assist sniper and it's just stupid how easy it is to use. Aim in the general direction and you're guaranteed a body shot. Shotguns are annoying as hell but balanced. Sidearms are in need of a slight buff but I don't use them enough to know what that buff is. They just feel a bit weak. Fusions are too unpredictable. I may get a kill at one range and then not get a kill at the exact same range because the spread is all over the place. Not sure what they need in terms of buffs, maybe a decrease in spread and an increase in range would work. Heavies in general are balanced.
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1 ReplySo 98% of people using thorn wasn't worse?
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Edited by hoodrych24: 11/5/2015 11:51:27 PMI can definitely agree. Its boring as all hell atm. Never thought id say i missed the hand cannon era but i do. While thorn and last word were very much annoying not everyone had one. So you could get some good games inbetween or itd just be a couple people per team. But with this meta everyone has at least one of the top pulses in the game. And the flinch is just crazy on pulses. Destiny now almost feels call of dutyesh. First shot or first burst in this case determines a majority of gun fights. Your aim just gets knocked so hard it feels 10x harder to recover vs a pulse then other weps. They also are nowhere near as punishing for missing precision shots as other guns. Nirwins/Red Death archtype 3 burst kill whether you get precision shots or not. HCs and scouts are punished severely and their ttk drops like a rock if you dont hit any headshots. Couple that with no damage fall off unless at the most extreme ranges and yea its obvious pulses need to be rebalanced. Not nerfed but rebalanced as well as the other guns in the game to be on par.
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Edited by JHarv: 11/5/2015 7:32:33 PMI agree. I can't even play the Crucible anymore. It's slowed way down, so being able to jump on top of someone before you're on the map doesn't work anymore. It's about corner humping and headshots with a pulse rifle. Or being grenaded, supered, heavied. There's that too. The maps are also terrible. Pulse rifles, for me, just aren't fun to use. You have to rely on RNG to gift you a good one (or just use one of the stock vendor monsters) and hang out across the map behind cover, hard scoping, waiting for someone to pop out. It's awful gameplay and it isn't fun at all. It promotes hiding, camping, hardscoping rather than movement, flanking, and offense. Defensive players should never have an advantage over offensive players. When you can hide at a back corner behind cover and do well, you know there's a problem. With this type of meta, the minimap needs to be removed from the game, and damage drop-off has to exist. On pulse rifles, it doesn't. And you have no way of taking out campers unless you're sniping. But then it becomes a camper vs camper showdown, which is just stupid. I preferred the blink shotgun spam meta because at least it promoted offense. If you wanted kills, you had to get on top of your opponents. Currently, I spawn into a game and anywhere I walk I'm being 2-3 bursted by a stationary opponent across the map, head glitching behind cover. Again, it's just not a fun meta.
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This game is worst game to date.
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7 RepliesEdited by SuggestedPigeon: 11/3/2015 12:15:42 PMThey've admitted that having "seasons" of some weapons being completely dominant over others was completely planned and it has to be the dumbest way to balance a game I've ever seen. They want us to have stories? Because here's the story: "At one point everyone used suros regime for a few months and it was -blam!-ing terrible and boring and eventually all auto rifles were nerfed into complete garbage. After that everyone used thorn and glitched last word and blink shotgun for [i]seven goddamn months[/i] while we heard absolutely nothing about it. Seven. Goddamn. Months. Of. Thorn. Shotgun. 2.0 rolls out and handcannons are pretty much broken in half because clearly if two handcannons were really good that means every handcannon must become trash. Blink also turned into garbage. Now everyone uses only Nirwin's Mercy archetype pulse rifles and snipers with high aim assist or Conspiracy theory which is functionally identical to felwinters." Like could you imagine if this shit happened in halo? Oh yeah in this patch the smg deals triple the damage from further away while the battle rifle gets nerfed into the ground. See you in six months when the carbine becomes a one shot kill!
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Clearly you haven't been using the right auto rifles
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Destiny sucks now. It's okay to say it. I was hardcore desitnite year one, I played for a little yesterday for the first time in a long time, it was so -blam!-ing boring. Guys no need to keep defending a crappy game where the developers got greedy and lazy. It's okay to say.... This game sucks It does.
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First people complain about shotguns. Now it's snipers.
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Agreed man they just keep changing the class that's op, never fixing the problems
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1 ReplyEdited by Anomic, the Washed: 11/5/2015 12:48:14 PMGo back to the very beginning when auto rifles were OP. Now imagine if they ONLY nerfed auto rifles a slight bit? Is that balance you're seeing? Well shotguns needed the nerf they got as well...
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I disagree. Every weapon type seems viable to me (except legendary handcannons). Sidearms totally hold up and are underrated. Same with fusions. You just have to play to the strengths of your weapon type. Auto rifle? Prefire and hit 90% headshots. They are super user friendly. Hawkmoon, ace of spades, thorn, and tlw still wreck. Scouts definitely have an advantage at range over everything but messenger and its stuck in year one.
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The game lost its addiction
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2 RepliesEdited by TheWhiteNative: 11/1/2015 1:18:04 PMDid you play year one? The Ldr, long bow, her benevolence, prudence 2 and many others all had about the same or higher base aim assist than the 1000 yard. Except here's the kicker. You could re roll the HOW guns to get perfect perks that only helped improve how easy the snipers were to use. Why didn't anyone complain about aim assist then though? Because you could get two shot by a thorn from sniper range. My point is snipers didn't change but people feel the need to complain about them like they got some amazing aim assist buff.
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Exotic hand cannons everywhere was far worse than now you can use legendaries or exotics and use scouts with shotguns or snipers in my opinion it's just not as easy with shotguns as it used to be This is one of the better metas
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Metas don't kill Destiny [spoiler]Destiny kills Destiny[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyI still don't think HC as a whole needed to be nerfed into the ground. Bungie always makes the mistake of thinking one gun represents the whole class and nerfs said class into oblivion. I say make HC back into what they were, minus thorn. It would keep pr viable and allow people to actually use legendary hand cannons. Scouts are fine. They can wreck if used effectively
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1 ReplyThe worst to date? That's the dumbest post I've read in over a year on here lol
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You need to start using your brain again and find a solution. The struggle happened to me too, what that means: I'm a main sniper with 62% headshot rate, 94,4% in the last ToO. Most of the times if i play sniper, if i play in the usual lanes i've abused in Year 1 i have to trade ALL THE TIME with 1+ snipers. This isn't a smart way to play, if I'm stronger or I'm early positioned i win.. else I loose. If 2 snipers are watching my lane my chances to win drops again. Rule N1 of a sniper is NEVER challenge another sniper, so, play smarter than your opponent, avoid common sniping lanes, take alternative paths play MIND GAMES. If you play sniper take unpredictable lanes, else if you like to play shotgun it's the time to learn the art of flanking. In this trials I've found SO MANY HARDSCOPING people that was a joke get them on the back going out of radar and shoot them on his back when they are trying to snipe my teammates. BE CREATIVE, BE SMART.
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It is almost like some sort of crazy eye test... 'Better with option a, or option b? How about now, is that better or worse?' So auto rifles were over used one upon a time and now we're here; they could have mixed up the bounties a bit, add a touch of extra hp maybe! Nope, crucible version 3 and this is broken? ...well get your scout rifle and side arm ready for version 4!
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2 RepliesWtf is a meta?? Don't you mean version?
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I agree. PVP has now become a staring contest. By which I mean, everyone sits motionless scoped down a doorway. It's really dull. This meta combined with the weapon parts situation has ruined Destiny.
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Best solution stay away from pvp, if you like it then grab COD pvp all day everyday built around it
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5 RepliesNo, I agree this meta (ugh I hate that word) is the worst one to date. My favorite loadout, in terms of what I find the most fun to use, is a Scout Rifle/Sidearm. In the Hand Cannon/Shotgun era I could use my VoC or MIDA, with my Vestian Dynasty and do just fine. But now I can't walk around a corner without being 3 burst by a Hawksaw, or being sniped by what seems as world record reaction time with a 1000-Yard Stare. I have no time to react to anything, the last 3 times I have gotten on to Destiny I have been more frustrated then anything, frustrated to the point that I am starting to think I may need a break from the game until a new weapons patch comes out. My ideas to fix things (nerf ideas so let the hate come): Snipers - Right now it is too easy to land that headshot, even while firing back at them. Snipers need a PvP aim assist reduction, as well as an increase to the flinch when being fired at. Pulse Rifles - Right now they can dominate in close range, medium range, and long range (as long as you aren't facing a sniper). Their fire rates allow them to be effective at close ranges, while their lack of kick makes them work just as well at long ranges. They need an increase to recoil, and a lower base stability. It needs to be more difficult to get a 100 stability pulse rifle, and at 100 stability there still needs to be at least some up and down recoil from the burst.
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8 RepliesThe sunbreaker is completely ruining pvp. You cant fight that godmode super, the only thing u can do if you dont have shadowshot, is run. If there are 2 sunbreakers (which there always are, because the disgusting cheapnoobs all changed class to titan) they can come from 2 sides and whipe the entire team. Feed eachother orbs and repeat the process.. this happens so many games, I have stopped counting. I have started playing hunter lately, because its the only way to have some chance vs that retarded super
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3 RepliesI been watching all these streams. Even Krafty. All I seen are hard quick scoping bitches. Run and stay far away. No real warrior yet. WHAT YOU SCARED OF? CQC? GETTING YA ASS KICKED. Man up, yo. I hadn't played because I have no team, I don't feel like looking on lfg, and I ain't got time to play Mitch - match sniper trade. This is not competition, and I can't believe bungie hadn't done something about the snipers. They don't want people going to one gun, yet that's what this whole game mode is. Snipers and sunbreakers. Jokes.
