This is a formal effort to get my worries out and hopefully see some rapport with other players, this is not me mindlessly attacking Bungie for not giving Hunters some cool stuff as of late. Also this is solely discussing PVE. The void 3.0 announcements as well as the new hunter exotics have broken the camels back and made me want to talk about this. The way I see it, there are 3 possible cases that are responsible for the Hunter treatment in PVE. One, most optimistically, Bungie have a Hunter specific video or announcement coming up to show that there is far more than meets the eye when it comes to Void 3.0. Two, probably most unlikely, Bungie straight up doesn't like Hunters or find them very engaging and thus doesn't spend much creative effort with the creation of their new exotics or their new Void abilities. Three, most worryingly, Bungie genuinely doesn't know where Hunters should fit in when it comes to PVE thus resulting in the identity crisis that we kind of seem faced with today. Hunters being relegated to being 'quirky' rather than being effective. - The Hunter = Invis Problem This section is more speculative. I had one major concern holding me back from getting hyped for Void 3.0, that concern being that the shift in philosophy and function for the new void subclass would result in Hunters losing what made them special to other classes (Invis and debuffs). This does seem to be the case, at least looking at it post ViDoc. With Warlocks and potentially Titans having the ability to turn invis by themselves seemingly (warlock finisher clip from ViDoc) and being able to apply debuffs to enemies via the new grenades. Hunters list of exclusive 'cool things' is running depressingly low. Not to mention that Hunters gain no new flashy abilities unlike the other classes here, especially Warlock. Now you may argue that these new Void Hunters are not meant to be flashy, I would argue that that runs in contradiction to the games philosophy Destiny has adopted, giving feel good abilities to all classes. Looking at the aspects and fragments, Void 3.0 Hunters seem to EXCLUSIVLEY focus on going invis in multiple ways and having one slightly better debuff than the other classes, that being tether. Which hopefully sees a huge rework on how it debuffs, or else other classes will have access to a better option with... - Ohhhhh Divinity Divinity is the classic example of the constant undermining that Hunters (and other classes too at times) have faced over the past few years. Obviously it goes without saying how silly it is that a gun can do a better job at debuffing a boss than a super. Another example of course being the titan Cuirass exotic, resulting in celestial being simply a worse option in 99.99% of situations (an exaggeration perhaps but not far off). Now Stasis, Silence and Squall being the only other super that sees use in end game besides Tether (undermined by Divinity) and Celestial Goldie (undermined by Cuirass) is going to be short lived most likely as silence and squall simply acts as the best way to apply stasis for focusing lens, which is leaving us at the end of the season. Its only other use is seemingly ad clear, which it is pretty sub-par at unless enemies are very condensed. - Those Exotics do what now? This was the real gut punch that motivated me to spend the past hour or so writing this. Now I don't know whether this comes down to Bungie hating Hunters (probs not), or Bungie simply not knowing how to or not wanting to further develop Hunters in PVE. I think it goes without saying that its a feels bad for Hunters when Warlocks get a possibly game changing exotic as well as Titans getting some genuinely interesting and impactful exotics too, which both support subclasses in needed ways. Then Hunters get stuck with a larger duskfield grenade, which one, just isn't what hunters really need... like at all. However I'm most offended by just how boring it is compared to the others, at least in my opinion. I'm not even going to mention the Arcstrider helm, it will likely have little to no impact for anyone in pvp or pve. - Conclusions The core problem is that Hunters are more of a hinderance than a help in fireteams most of the time when you could simply add another well or another Thundercrash/bubble, and these new Void changes and exotics don't look like they're going to change that much but i will wait to pass full judgement. Hunters are not essential or optimal in 95% of content. Yes hunters are capable in endgame, no lie. However their capabilities are blown out of the water by the other classes, so why play Hunter in witch queen (endgame)? I don't know. Hopefully one day i wont have to cringe a little when i see a new Hunter announcement. Still love the game tho Bungie.