Cozmo replied to a thread about thundercrash buff (100% needed) and ignored this, lol

cant wait for cosmo or dmg to come around to say"thanks for the feed back we'll pass it along." and nothing be done. it really sucks cause as a whole warlocks are the least played class and therefore a vocal minority, that being said if any warlock post if made everyone tells us to stop whining and to get over it as they hyperfixate on the things about warlocks that even make the viable in a pvp scenerio. dawnblade when the changes arrive will be near useless cause we have to sacrifice a grenade to for our neutral game to activate for top tree and theyll then invalidate bottom tree entirely as it already doesnt have a good neutral game and phoenix dive it the biggest meme know to man. top tree stormcaller will continue to be powerful with its notable passive neutral game to arc web and transcendence. but what about bottom tree? increased melee range on ability charge and arc soul? the only thing good about that subclass is arc soul considering the melee range is pretty much invalidated by the fact that our melees are slower than a turtle. middle tree stormcaller is the biggest let down of them all. the only reason to use it is the potential bumps in ability energy upon kill that's. chaos tree as a super is only use for for clearing stiker bosses as best and you have to have an exotic (geomag) to actually make it good cause youre a sitting duck otherwise in higher end content and pvp the only subclass group where id say has the most balance and elegance to it suiting for a warlock is void walker. both top and bottom path have great uses for both pvp and pve and id change nothing about them in the slightest. keep them as is. nova warp on the other hand...... the only reason you would possible use nova warp is not for the super no no, you use it for handheld supernova. thats pretty much it. nova warp as a super was really exciting to me as a warlock main when forsaken first came out because of it killing power and strengths. be they gutted that super into the ground. charge time for the super makes it near impossible for you to 1v1 other super and the super armor nerfs made the it even easier for you to die. on top of that movement super while charge is slowed down to a crawl and it leave you incredibly vulnerable and open for attack. there are so many fundamental problems with the way warlocks are formulated inside of bungies head that they refuse to fix let alone address that the future for the class is grim and if it get any worse just im just going to quit the game cause i dont wanna be forced to play another class cause they refuse to fix me.

Warlocks? In crucible? Where?

[quote]Floating jumps with no vertical or horizontal elevator excluding Icarus dash which is on a 6 second cool-down unlike the hunter double and triple jump which has a vertical dash evertime they press jump. [/quote] Warlock jump is fine in my opinion. It’s more a matter of controlling momentum. A vertical boost isn’t necessary if you know how to activate glide properly.

Basically, Warlock had their neutral game absolutely neutered in the transition from Destiny 1 to Destiny 2.... ...to the point where----without certain exotics----they are basically a glorified support-class. Especially in PVP. In Destiny 1, the game was balanced in a functional way. Titans withstood damage that they couldn't avoid. Hunters avoided damage that they couldn't withstand, and Warlocks recovered from damage they couldn't avoid or withstand. Warlocks were given increased recovery, and powerful abilities to make up for their lack of agility, and poor resilience. But in order to make Crucible a "gun game", those abilities got neutered for the whole game. Warlock grenades are so weak now that other players don't even bother to try to avoid them. They just tank them. Warlock melee attacks have been weakned to the point where Hunters and Titans no longer fear getting too close. In fact they just lay their ears back and rush you. The Warlock rift is largely useless in PVP. It may give you a slight advantage in a 1v1 gun fight....but in any other situation its easy to scrap you off of a rift. Which is why Warlocks basically DISAPPEAR from any high level PVP play. They are at a major disadvantage in a "gun game", with the way they are currently tuned. All disadvantages and next to no functional advantages

Honestly I was worried clicking on this post but... You make really good arguments and points all around. In my opinion Axion grenades aren’t that bad along with scatter but I can see how they aren’t necessarily performing the best. But this post definitely encompasses a significant portion of the issues with warlock for pvp. EDIT: Although I disagree with warlock jump. I honestly love it. My favorite jump in the game hands down.

It’s unfair to label those exotics as useless since you are comparing the strategy/support nature of warlock exotics with the offensive/selfish nature of hunter and titan exotics. [spoiler]The Stag will give you extreme rift regeneration and supports your team when you fall in a fight. You shouldn’t underestimate the difference even a few health points can make in fights and teammates always need extra help when they’ve lost a gun to back them up. Sanguine Alchemy will grant enemy tracking to every ally in the rift. Enemies don’t know your exact location but you know theirs so how isn’t this an advantage, particularly when the entire team is granted this effect. Wings of Sacred Dawn is capable of ambushing rushers or flankers from above since barely anyone looks up (why would they when no one should be up there). Currently, that’s all it’s good for though it is receiving a damage resistance buff next season.[/spoiler] Actually, “strategic/supportive” will always be the warlock gimmick while Rift is their class ability. Nobody seems to like their jumps, either, despite glide being the jump with the most control. Then again, control isn’t quick so no one cares since mobility will always be the meta. That’s why warlock falls short. If the meta ever (it won’t) shifts from mobility to something more “bunker-like” then warlock will suddenly be OP and everyone will cry for warlock nerfs. That’s just the nature of PvP gamemodes; they’ll always cater to one specific playstyle. Seems players need to force their preferred playstyle to work or succumb to the meta like everyone else does.

I’m okay with everything you said except blink. I don’t even want it in the game.

What do you mean fusion nades suck. All you need is one tag from hc and you Chuck and hide. Just because it's not insta kill does not mean it's not good. You can move reasonably fast around the map if you warlock skate. Although bottom Nova is pretty underwhelming. Floating jumps aren't bad you are just comparing it to a jump that serves a complete different purpose. You can glide above doorways. Hunters can't pull that off so their jump must be bad huh. And warlocks have Dodge (Icarus dash) with less cooldown than hunter Dodge. Blink you can challenge from above most of the time with enhanced shottie Dex you can kill them before they can look up because vertical sensitivity is slow on console. Also wings is not bad you can literally challenge from angles that people don't expect from. Same case as Anteus wards once you put in time to master the exotic you have your own playstyle. Just because YouTubers don't post videos about certain stuffs and it is not overused doesn't mean it's bad. You just haven't put in time and effort to learn how to use it.

😂 With Dire Ahamkara, Void singe strikes are laughable. Constantly have a nova bomb ready to go. Well of radiance is the best pve super and pretty much mandatory in any high level pve content. You have handheld supernova for pvp, oh and arc web 😂 You put down a rift get like 30% damage boost, no other class can do that in pvp. Pheonix dive was meta, just like how other classes have had meta stuff in the past. Ophidian aspect was top tier in d1, and still is for pvp in d2. You keep crying like warlocks are terrible and unusable, every class has pros and cons.

Grenades in general suck in this game.

You can find 3 grenades from any class that suck monkey balls Blink is good if you learn how to use it Warlocks dont need to be high in the sky to be lethal. Warlocks are the fastest class so i dont know what you're talking about Nova Warp is still good, you just have to learn how to use it effectively Healing rift can be placed in cover if you didnt know, and it adds an extra shot to most hand cannons Every class has wicked looking exotics with bad perks (Ex: Mechaneers trick sleeves and literally any titan exotic helmet except OEM.

Is this even feedback? It’s just “this thing is bad” and nothing constructive. As if Cosmo will pay attention to feedback like this

Scatter nades can 1 shot almost ever major in the game, not to mention 1 shotting dogs on leviathan with the right buffs Fusions are great in pvp for burst damage (and to stick around cover pls fix), also SotP dupe anyone? axion bolt is really strong on top tree nova bomb, shield break anyone blink is the best jump, you just don't know how to use it warlock jumps could use some tuning (glide to where you're looking maybe?) novawarp is great for clearing large groups over space Warlock melees are strong, which is why they take .0001 seconds longer you shouldn't be rifting in open site stag is all i use in crucible if im not using transverses. sanguine is free wall hacks (OP), sacred dawn is great in niche scenarios, but overall great with top tree dawnblade OEM, its a dead horse

If it's so bad, why do you use it? You literally have no other class.

You need to learn to buildcraft. Warlocks are the most OP class of the three. You could throw on a damage rift, rock wishender, with Eye of Another World and Devour and have OEM 2.0 before it even existed. One hit kills, wall hacks, insta heals, and quick ability regen.

To all the hunters and titans pretending to say warlocks are op This is the win rate of last year of comp ON CONSOLE (so the majority of the population) https://guardian.gg/2/class-stats?platform=console&mode=37&start=2018-11-20&end=2019-11-27 Just click here and there to see the "op warlock" behind at least one subclass of each other class 99 times out of 100 Stats are clear and you all are factious and in bad faith Facts are clear and you are liars

Sounds like you dont know how to warlock

You literally have arc web, best pvp grenade Well of radience best pve super Instant healing and damge buff with rift Tracking multi nova bomb Stop crying, sick of these whiny warlocks. Worse than titans