Wow...as for your edit.... 4 consoles....same platforms. Xbox 360 and PS3 allowed the player to move to each respective system without creating new accounts. Meaning that it did NOT skew the numbers whatsoever. Damn, I expect those kinda edits from Sols....not you.

I understand that, and all I'm pointing out is what you pointed out.... You pointed out that 250k.... That 250k was the end of the game itself. So for someone who is claiming this is normal.... It's normal to have numbers of a dead game? I mean that's exactly what it was then. A dead game. I'm sure you understand the situation here. We...you and I...are discussing the 250k mark that you are holding on to, saying that D1 had lower numbers...so no worries people.

I agree, and respect that. D2 is a good standalone game. I've been looking at D2 this whole time as a new game. Not a sequel. I believe that to be Bungie's intent, as well. That being said, the D1 players, like myself, will always compare D1 and D2. It's the only game you can compare it to. For players new to the franchise, the game is prolly amazing. For old/returning players from D1, they see it as normal dry spells that was apart of D1's lifespan. Neither of these are a wrong, or right way to view it. Arguing preference is like arguing faith. Yes, plenty of people use these numbers in a negative light. I see it only as a sign of failure. To fail, you must first try. And for that, I respect Bungie. I lose respect for them tho, because of their arrogance. They can easily apologize. They are to proud, even in D1...they deflected their "hiccups" and made jokes about them ( See FoL and jumping off the tower with Atheon mask ). You've been here long enough. You know what it was like during D1's lifespan. It isn't the 1st, 2nd....or even 3rd time they shit on their player base. "Oops", "You caught us", "We're listening", these phrases have been spoken from Bungie. Not a single "We're sorry". They don't owe us an apology tho right? I get it, they don't...and in return the Player Base said...cool...cya. Those who choose to stick around, so be it. I may see ya from time to time. Those that move on, so be it. Not a single person is an idiot, for making either decision. However, if you choose to stay and you ignore the truth, turn the cheek, choose ignorance...that could definitely fall into the idiot category. Granted it's a fine line with many people here, but why does everyone seek validation to whether they stay or leave? It's a ridiculous and tiring argument, that shouldn't even be an argument. I understand I got off topic, but it all circles back around to why the Player Base is shrinking. Maybe it didn't grow all that large with D2 in the 1st place. Maybe, just maybe 80% of D2 population was returning D1 players that are fed up and you see that decline in numbers. What you see now, are new players to D2, and die hard players that will/do only play D2. Again, just because they do, doesn't make them right, nor wrong.

I didn’t see it as alarm. It’s like when I present data. I’m not saying the game is dead or dying. I’m saying it’s not healthy. That’s a concern for me as a fan. There are warning signs for the health of the game and to ignore or deny them while Bungie exhibits hubris and distain for its players sucks to see as a fan.

According to TattooedOni Player numbers were around 1 million when black armory came out https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/250114046?sort=0&page=0&path=1

All I know is it’s hard to solo queue into a team that doesn’t drop hot or if they do can actually slay out enough that we don’t get wiped in 2 minutes ya know?