You forgot one tiny little MMO aspect that is a MUST if you're gonna keep moving on with expansions. Its called actual SCALE/CONTENT, something the Vanilla and all the expansions PAINFULLY lacked. No wonder people are already done and got nothing to do, but ask for old content to be relevant again. One does not simply create a couple of levels/small game, rely on small expansions and justify it by saying "its an MMO business model" ...... And you are right its definitely NOT an MMO, faaaaaaaaaaaaar from it.

Again I'm not arguing the MMO aspects. If you don't want to see it that's on you but it is there. If you continued reading I also stated I am not saying this is an MMO but uses a model similar to MMOs. Now let's break down your scalable raid content that's apparently in MMOs shall we? First let's start with the easy one, Everquest. Everquest and Everquest 2 do not scale back on previous content. It is what it was and will always be. Old world Kunark level 30 npcs will always be just that. Questionably the first true MMORPG in the PC gaming market released March 1999. I should know I was there for 9 years from time of release and was one of the guild leaders on the yearly counsel meeting at SoE HQ. Why? I ran a raid guild that was part of the top 5 averaging 180 active individual members able to achieve new content "end game" pretty quick. Now to build on that when EQ came out there was not raid, but a level 40 dragon that took like 100 people to beat cause she was a bad ass for the time, became soloable after second expansion Scars of Velos. Which did have a raid, took around 120 people and 4 hours for a total of 3-5 drops. Not per character drops, total. When planes of power released I would go 3 box that same boss with ease. Why? Cause I could and was fun. Next let's look at WoW, you know the company that has been assisting Bungie on how to proceed. Released in Nov 2005 nothing was scalable until Sept 2013. At which time they introduced legacy raids with drops that are uhhh irrelevant to say the least based on current expansion drops. While fun and a nice walk down memory lane, they are pointless. While the def and atk were close the perks (which what matter just as much) were severely lacking. Still not working truly as it should. Go figure. To clarify again destiny has MMO attributes like the above. To be blind about it is clearly your issue and lack of experience in MMOs. The issue at hand is the lacking content, feeding us missions going backwards on vanilla destiny missions and calling them new is not new content. However it's exactly what you guys want, old content but at the same time complaining about doing story missions backwards. We need a massive release of content and areas opened up, not level adjusted raids. Now unless you respond to some other portion of this that does not include questioning destinys MMO attributes I won't bother wasting my time explaining again the common core basic of MMORPGs.

Are you Illiterate ?? No offense, but did you miss the part where i said "you're right its not an MMO" or chose to ignore it ?? I'm not denying the MMO elements they adopted ..... My whole post translates to, adopting an MMO business model/elements without including one major aspect of an MMO which is SCALE/SIZE/CONTENT (massive) is nothing but retarded/lazy. I'm NOT arguing if its an MMORPG or not since it is NOT an MMO nor is it an RPG (light elements poorly executed). And above all, enough with the assumptions about me not having MMO knowledge/experience, you completely misunderstood my post and built a notion/wall of text around it. Read this as slowly and carefully as possible. Again one does not simply create a small game by any Genre's standards and adopt an MMO business model/design philosophy with small expansions. Actual Vanilla MMO's have waaaay more content/size than Destiny in its entirety. And because of the lack of content/size that requires the player to repeat activities in old MMO fashion, people want the old activities for variety. If Bungie actually created a big game, this wouldn't have happened. AGAIN read this carefully or i'm the one who wont bother explaining how the aspects of an actual MMO complement each other.

[quote]One does not simply create a couple of levels/small game, rely on small expansions and justify it by saying "its an MMO business model" ...... And you are right its definitely NOT an MMO, faaaaaaaaaaaaar from it.[/quote] how about read what you wrote... Slowly. Your defied both points and still sitting on the it's not an MMO pony and saying you agree with me. Are you illiterate or are you the host of some dumb ass forums punk'd remake? It's an MMO based game. Now take into account the definition of MMO fundamentals. No where did I mention size. World size is not a factor in an MMO. It inherently becomes a massive world environment but not part of the core fundamentals of an MMO aka time sink. 1) Farming 2) Questing 3) Raids 4) Level requirements 5) Gear chasing 6) require other living players to pass higher difficultly encounters. 7) random player encounters in world. It's the same damn model as EQ and WoW use on a much smaller simplified FPS scale. They tend to start with a smaller environment and grow as the story does. Most previous areas are left in the dust collecting cob webs. Since destiny is unique in purpose of game category it's the closest definition to what it is, a hybrid MMOFPS Massive in MMO does not stand for environment size it stands for players. Massive multiplayer online. The only thing we agree on is the poor execution and deployment.

Wait in that quote, what exactly don't you get ?? Are you really that daft ?? You wrote these walls of texts and now you tell me that the "massive in MMO's doesn't include scale" ?? Are you -blam!-ing serious right now ? ...... You sure the "massive" is only about the player count (whatever that means) and not the environment size + player count per server + the amount of players in one activity ?? Do you have any idea what you're talking about ?? Stands for "players" ..... Next thing you're gonna tell me is COD could be classified as an MMO, that would be just great.

You agree with me that this is not an MMO, yet you do not see that I am saying this is an MMO. How are you not seeing that? I even put it in a quote for you. How can you agree with me if our points are polar opposites? While I eat my turkey dinner go figure out what MMO means and the definitions of it. Scale of world is NOT part of the MMO foundation. MMOs do tend to have large worlds, but that's not by definition of the term MMO but by the game designers story and desire to give the players a larger world to "live" in and not get destiny'd I mean bored. No seriously, go find out what MMO actually means. Cod - really? That's like saying fallout4 is an MMORPG. Come on man, you can do a lot better than that I'm sure. If you can't come up with any valid rebuttals then I'm done attempting to explain it.

I have always wanted an updated version of VOG but, reading the above I see your points about the story etc... I think a nice idea to keep everyone happy would be to have a weekly Nightfall Raid? Offer up to date exotics as the reward and obviously provide a boost to enemies levels.

"It's telling them its okay to sell us barebone content that gets used within a few weeks." Isnt that what's happening now? That's why they're padding KF with challenge mode. Just because other MMOs abandon old content doesn't mean destiny has to. Personally I say that's a waste of resources to have raids expire.

not really a horrible idea since about 80%+ of the people that bought destiny never did the raids when they were relevant it lets players enjoy the content they purchased. Bungie keeps unnecessarily blocking the majority of their players from the endgame content by providing no easy way for players to form groups.