I wish warlocks couldn't type and post. Soo many words about nothing.

I main a Titan but I have the most fun with my warlock in the raid and I find I can do the relic quicker and easier with my warlock

Yes you are missing something, every use for a hunter. A good warlock and a good hunter would be pretty even, but I find that there are more good hunters. Not saying that warlocks are bad but they use the wrong abilities and thus do not do as well USUALLY. But like I said at first, a good warlock and a good hunter are equally important in different ways. But titans are the most essential for this raid.

This post gave me aids. Please find valid points, and not just "warlock can use Touch of malice, and void grenade :^)"

Warlocks are great plate holders because in case something goes wrong they can res and that means not a wipe

One shot hm oryx with 5 hunters and a titan. Argument invalid [spoiler]jk warlocks are cool too just proving your last statement wrong :) [/spoiler]

Ran a raid. At Golgoroth the self res crutch wiped our team so much. The totem people. The totem. Dying matters. Learn to live. Doesn't matter if you can res we are at 5 glyphs you dumb *blams* sigh. Warlocks. . .

None of that is proof. It's literally all just rhetoric. A video of a warlock clutching a portion of the raid for the rest of the team would be proof. A video of a warlock doing something specific with one of their abilities other than just "add control" would be proof. What you posted is just rhetoric.

Well.said

I'd rather have warlocks than hunters at plates, but both work fine. I usually have one hunter, two titans and the rest be warlocks.

[quote]Im tired of seeing people saying warlock are the useless class in HM oryx raid. That is not true and i will show you why. Lets start from oryx to warpriest since people often doesn't read the whole thread. Oryx : [quote]- A Warlock can use his ToM to clear his orge/Knight, then throw his nova bomb to the other side to kill the friend orge/Knight. - A Warlock can use Self-Res when something bad that you cannnot escape from happen, like your teamate on the place next to you die and don't say it, so his orge kill you. - A Warlock can use his Radiance with the overshield to the help the shit out of his teamate with the overshield + ToM for the orge/knight[/quote] [quote]- A Titan can use his bubble to help the team to do max DPS and kill faster. - A Titan can use Hammer to clear the shit out of the mob when teamate go take the bombs ONLY IF THERE IS ANOTHER TITAN WITH HIS BUBBLE[/quote] [quote]- hunters can use their golden gun to wreck his orge/knight and his friend orge/knight - A Hunter can make his teamate invisible when they go get the bomb[/quote] Daughters : [quote]- A Warlock can use his Self-res and save the shit out of his team when you kill the daughter at the very last moment and everyone die. Apparently happen alot. - A Warlock can use his Radiance + Shield to start attacking the daughter earlier than other teamates if you aren't in the mid. (Specification : teamate steal shield, you can start shooting with ToM and your OverShield from your super without needing to check ''Should i stop firing until the shield come to us ?) - A Warlock can use the shield from Sunsigner melee to do like the point above. - A Warlock can use his Nova Bomb to clear the mid in one shot when you kill the first daughter. - A Warlock can use his StormCaller to clear the mid fast when you kill the first daughter[/quote] [quote]- A Titan can use his bubble to help the team to do max DPS and kill faster. - A Titan can use Hammer to clear the shit out of the mob when you kill the first daughter[/quote] [quote]- A Hunter can make team invisible if you weren't able to clear mid after killing first daughter. Thats is all. No using Tether isn't usefull there as she move her hand in her face which mostly make you fail to hit her head easly and correctly, so you endup doing almost always the same damage as without it.[/quote] Golgoroth [quote]- A Warlock can jump the first into the ''shit'', and attack golgoroth first. He also make golgoroth turn around so your teamate can easy get his grease AND YOU WONT NEED TO WAIT FOR GOLGOROTH TO TURN BEFORE BEING ABLE TO DO HIM CRITICAL SHOTS. - A Warlock can jump out of the ''shit'' the last one, so he can continue to do damage longer than hunter or titan, if something bad happen, he have his res. - A Warlock can Switch to StormCaller after 2 round of hit, So he can clear the Taken mobs and allow teamates to attack golgoroth without being scared of dying.[/quote] [quote]- A Titan can use his bubble to help the team to do max DPS and kill faster. - A Titan can use his bubble with Armor bonus, to allow teamate to easly survive in and does even more damage than with WoL if teamates are using ToM[/quote] [quote]- A Hunter can use his tether to max the Possible DPS of his teamate.[/quote] WarPriest: [quote]- A Warlock Can use his StormCaller to clear his side at him alone. - A Warlock Can use his Self-Res if Anything bad happen. - A Warlock Can use his Self-Res to go attrack the boss so the hunter/titan that stand on the ''third'' plate doesn't get rekt by the boss. By doing that correctly, You might endup dying, you can res, Unlike if a hunter/titan does -> Will become a wipe. - A Warlock Can use his Radiance with shield if he is using ToM, Then switch to sniper until life is back, then ToM again.[/quote] [quote]- A Titan can put his WoL to help the team to do a better DPS. - A Titan can put his Bubble with Armor bonus, to give his teamate the possibility to use ToM (Only warlock can really use it without this bubble) - A Titan will protect his teamate from being hit by the taken sniper balls that the boss has on second round. - A Titan Can use his HoS to clear his side alone[/quote] [quote]- A Hunter can Use his Tether to max out DPS of his team. - A Hunter can use his tether to clear his side alone.[/quote] If im missing anything, i will add it by editing. But as you can easy see: Warlock has a lot of choice that make them useful for the whole raid. Titan Are very useful for the whole raid with their bubble. Hunter can be useful for War Priest and Golgoroth, Then they almost always become the most useless that need to be carry and die the most. To all you saying Warlock is the garbage tier (like datto). Its not true, its only you that suck with your Warlock and don't know how to use it.[b] A warlock with Self-Res will always have chance to do more damage than hunter or titan, Because they are the first to shoot and last to stop[/b]. Why ? Because they got armor, Health Regeneration and can self-res if they die while hurting the shit out of the boss. Actually everyone class has its utility, But defenitly a hunter is the less usefull in HM Oryx Raid. 2 Titan + 4 warlock can get it done in 1h-1h30min easy. 2 Titan + 4 Hunter can get it done, in how many hours ? 3-4 ? Unless every hunter in that team are ''God''. But in that case it would be even faster with 4 warlock that are as good.[/quote] Each class has their own strengths and weaknesses.

Us warlocks are truly sorry! A crazy got out. Improving cages atm. Although I agree, we are still truly sorry.

If you are relying on supers to complete a raid you're not doing it right lol

if you can shoot a gun you arnt useless

Thouse who shit on classes for being useless are useless themselves, I do not believe such an atrocious thing is necessary. Play what you enjoy.

Meh. Most of the whining comes from people who think they are either real titans, or think they're mlg. If you have a weapon and can do damage, you are useful.